Whereas although I had to wait for an hour to renew my ticket (and I only got there at 6pm), I found it all very friendly, helpful and informative. I also enjoyed watching the matches!

The early bird period has already started.

I took his advice, asked the incorrectly answered question and then didn't queue at all in the shop the day after

So it has, my mistake.

bored this evening so took a closer look at capacities of sections and tickets sold in the reserved sections.

These are my figures for the various blocks

North Stand
C= 542 tickets sold
D= 523 tickets sold
E = 522 tickets sold
F= 507 tickets sold
G= 425 tickets sold

I make it 2519 tickets sold out of a possible 2787 capacity within the reserved seating area.

South Stand

C= 13 tickets sold
D= 212 tickets sold
E= 149 tickets sold
F = Corporate prawn sandwich only
G= 251 tickets sold
H= 123 tickets sold
I = 158 tickets sold

This amounts to 906 sold

Hence in just the reserved seating areas we would appear to be looking at 3425 season ticket holders at present.

This is significantly greater than the seating capacity at Knowsley road which was only 2300. So already the club will be benefiting from the greater income generating capacity of the new stadium as seats are more expensive than the terrace.

On top of these figures we need to add in people who have purchased season ticket seats in unreserved blocks of the north and south stands, also the family seating areas, the Western terrace and also the premium seat holders in the South stand.

. Looking at the Western terrace side of things. The East stand At Widnes were current season ticket holders for the new West stand will be located, has a capacity of 2443. This is pretty much filled by season ticket holders, infact i recall that early in the season someone commented that only a couple of hundred tickets for this stand go on general sale for each match.
Therefore its quite feasible to assume that we will be automatically transferring 2000 season ticket holders into the Western Terrace in the new stadium from this current season.

Chair, just as a matter of interest, do you have a link for the seat sold/available data?
How did you do it?
I want to check on our "reserved seats" to see if they are showing sold or as available.

Things is, all current season tickets will be in the 'sold' section currently. Not all of those will renew, in fact a lot of the early bird sales in the South and West stands will be people moving stands.

My old seats in the North Stand are showing as sold and they are not, so I would guess there will be a fair number like this. We won't know for sure until the renewal deadline passes.

Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Chair, just as a matter of interest, do you have a link for the seat sold/available data? How did you do it? I want to check on our "reserved seats" to see if they are showing sold or as available.'" Just look on the official Saints website were you go to buy seat tickets and it shows you sold seats and unsold seats, complete with seat numbers www.saintssuperstore.com/matchtickets.html

Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Chair, just as a matter of interest, do you have a link for the seat sold/available data? How did you do it? I want to check on our "reserved seats" to see if they are showing sold or as available.'" Just look on the official Saints website were you go to buy seat tickets and it shows you sold seats and unsold seats, complete with seat numbers www.saintssuperstore.com/matchtickets.html

How do you know your alledged old seats are not sold. They may have been released by you then bought by someone else.

The system at Saints will need to be set up so that if people move, their reserved seats automatically become unreserved, otherwise people will cotton onto this, and buy two seats then move, and then get two free seats.

Free seats? I think you've misunderstood.

What I mean is that because we were adding two tickets and the seats next to us were taken, we were advised to just buy early bird tickets somewhere else in the ground. So we did this online at home rather than waiting in the queues at the forums. So Saints don't as yet know the two tickets we had elsewhere in the North Stand won't be renewed, so they can't have sold them. I know this has also happened with about 14 of my extended family who have moved from the North Stand into the South.

When the renewals deadline passes, all the unrenewed season tickets will become available for purchase. Obviously the majority of people will buy season tickets for next season, buying them for Widnes and then not going to the new ground will be rare. But what will happen is people will have just bought early bird offers in other parts of the ground.

What I mean is that because we were adding two tickets and the seats next to us were taken, we were advised to just buy early bird tickets somewhere else in the ground. So we did this online at home rather than waiting in the queues at the forums. So Saints don't as yet know the two tickets we had elsewhere in the North Stand won't be renewed, so they can't have sold them. I know this has also happened with about 14 of my extended family who have moved from the North Stand into the South.

When the renewals deadline passes, all the unrenewed season tickets will become available for purchase. Obviously the majority of people will buy season tickets for next season, buying them for Widnes and then not going to the new ground will be rare. But what will happen is people will have just bought early bird offers in other parts of the ground.



So have you paid extra for early bird tickets instead of changing your two renewal tickets and buying two adjoining seats?

Yes, but not by much. Because we're changing the profile of the tickets it worked out to be just £3 dearer buying early bird family tickets rather than renewing the existing tickets and adding the extras. It wasn't worth saving £3 to stand in the queue for two hours or return to St Helens another day.