Lomax
Makinson Percival Jones Swift
Burns Walsh
Amor Roby Walmsley
Lms Vea
Turner

Hohaia Thompson Masoe <new prop>

McDonnell, Wellens, Dawson, Hewitt,
Savelio, Greenwood, Beaumont, Richards

Would be a semi realistic 25 man squad for next year (unfortunately were stuck with Wilkin). We'd be very green in the reserves, but I'd be happy to sacrifice that for another top quality player ... Anyone know if Graham is bored of Sydney yet?

If you've run up towards a kicker, and the ball hits you from the kick, then it doesn't matter where it hits you or if you've turned your back, it's deemed as playing at the ball, because your purpose in legging it towards the kicker was to block the kick, which you've done !

Although I don't like our players much, Wigan are proving again that it simply isn't about having the best players anymore. It's not the team with the best 17 that wins trophies like it used to be. It's about mentality, culture and commitment, things we lack massively.

Wigan are the reigning champions. The quality of their squad has been consistently eroded over recent seasons yet they always remain in the hunt for trophies. They are better coached than we are, Brown is simply awful and his backroom staff simply isn't getting the results. Wigan are also far more commited than we are, in the same position tonight they would have won the game.

That is what needs to change and IMO it won't until McManus and Brown go.

You were doing so well.

Commitment wasn't the problem tonight. What we needed was showing that level of commitment week in week out. But as I'm sure you'd be quick to point out if we did, what's the point? You only need to do it in the last couple of games in the season.

I do wish you'd move past your blaming McManus phase. Without him there wouldn't of been a club successful or not!

It's like the Wello situation. Just because someone did something great for the club, something truly noteworthy in the club's entire history, it shouldn't mean that gives them the entitlement to just sit there and live off that forever.

I'm not suggesting we stage a blobby-led siege on the Directors box brandishing AK47s, but if McManus isn't interested in winning trophies he should pass the baton. We're apparently coming to a stage where we'll stop the horrendous losses, seems a perfect time to sell up to me. Sell it to someone who wants to deliver a successful sporting side with a stable business, not just a successful business like McManus does.

We're at what 7 years without a major trophy now? 10 will pass soon and we'll be back into the very dark days where trophies were out of reach. This current side won't win any major trophies (Excluding the cap here) under Brown. It doesn't matter who we sign, it won't happen. McManus won't sack him though, he'll wait till he leaves or just not renew his deal. The whole club just needs to remember what it once stood for and what it once tried to achieve. It needs to get some passion back. Get a coach who fist pumps and swears at people and wears cool shades even in the dark.

McManus was as gutted as some of the players after the game. He has 1 thing on his mind, and that is trophies.

He is stepping down in 2018 as the accounts show. I get the distinct impression everything will now be geared towards him leaving riding on the back of success. Even if Cas win tomorrow and the playoffs go as many assume, it's not necessarily a bad thing. It just has to be used in the right way ... Whether Brown is capable of that is another discussion...

there were 2-3 players offside from the play the ball who were near the ball when it bounced they should ahve been called and maybe why it was called offside.

it might not be so gloomy. We went through a very similar patch. Loss of all our good players at once, some very poor coaches and signings then bam, a lot of the stuff going on behind the scenes that we dont know about comes together and it seems to have worked and keeps working. Saints will come good. Look at how smashed you are this season and some poor signings yet are still up there.

I'm amazed Saints are even in contention, lost two most dangerous players in Walsh and Lomax and still competitive. Got avoid young core in Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Turner, Swift etc. I think you need to replace Hohaia, awful player. If you had Pryce or an Eastmond alongside Walsh you'd be scary.

Not true at all Roy. Ball played the man.

In any case it makes up for the forward pass for saints second

I wonder what happens if you compile every poor decision. Wonder how many each team got and whether we deserved a correct call then??

Doesn't matter as offside was the right call anyway

If your a blind halfwit with no idea on the rules , you'd be correct. It was a poor call at a vital moment of the game that just sums up the terrible quality of refs we have. If that prat Silverdud had just let play go LMS would likely have scored and the Video ref would have had all night to look at it. Alas he chose to make the ref the major talking point in a big game again rather than the Rugby it's self. He should be punished for his mistake but of course he wont be.

I thought that made up for your first try where the player dropped the ball and didn't ground it.

Really? Brough has given two players concussion this year when the ball he's kicked has hit players rushing towards him in the face- the ref didn't class eitherof those as a charge down.... Or do you think he should have?