Basic kicking rule #3If we are going to apportion blame, lets trace it all the way back to some idiot picking up a rugby ball 150 years ago.'"

As a kid never forget Alex Murphy scoring in the score board corner in extra time a very debatable try and someone shouted out that was never a dry ref to Eric Clay, only for Murphy to reply read the score in the paper in the morning!

Great game, both sides some weak defence at times, all teams go through times of injury and it is often the inexperienced who rise to the occasion! Monday will be a hard hill to climb, but not impossible.

I think you need to try that one again St Pete .With the young lads Saints have got , try the top 1 - 3

I think we will make the top 4 even with injuries and capable of finishing top if we get players back.

I was passing comment on someone who said we might not make the top 8 with all the injuries.

I am extremeley proud of all 17 players who took the field yesterday it was a truly monsterous effort. Considering the injuries weve got Wellens, Pryce, Eastmond, Perry, Flannery, Clough, Wheeler (just off the top of my head) totals 7 players who where ruled out before the game or where injured during yesterdays match. I am not convinced a number of other players were totally 100% fit yesterday eithier ie Graham. So how on earth anybody on this board can criticise our players after the performance is downright disgraceful. The town of St Helens should be right proud of there players and we can all hold our heads high.

the game seemed to change after wheeler was taken out with a late cheap shot, [ nothing new there then ] And Tomkin's still manages to cheat the penalties out of some dumb ar*e refs with his holding on con jobs, Add to that the blatant forward passes that seem to be the norm these days with these useless officials and its hard to beat a club like the goons, especially with half your squad out injured, having said all that the kids did a great job and Saints will bank their experience up for the next generation of winners. So dont get to cocky Goons your not that good by any stretch of your imagination!!!!!!!!!!!.

Saints can be rightly proud of how well they played considering the injuries you lot have sustained recently. But although Wigan had a more experienced squad, that was a poor Wigan performance for large parts of the game. Neither teams were at their best, Saints because they had players out, Wigan because they aren't playing to their potential at the moment.

Far too much being made of Lomax's kick which Tomkins fielded and then ran down field. Sam T was out of position and Lomax too fatigued to beat him to the ball.
The real turning point was the team's or it's captain's decision to go for goal at 22-22.
Wigan were three yards off their own try line and out on their feet. Running it if not getting a try first time could very well have resulted in a repeat set.
As soon as Foster decided to go for goal I knew Wigan had a chance to win the game. Even at 22-24 there was always time.
The Leeds game showed that if Wigan are still in the game they will go for a try with seconds remaining.
Perhaps Graham's talk was to deflect from the mistake he made in taking the wrong option on the penalty with only six mins remaining.

They were a very long way behind at Leeds though, so they will have taken that approach. They weren't that far behind with us.

Don't agree with the comment about it being Grahams fault because we went for 2 points at 22-22.

The kick was poor by lomax but the was also many plays and missed tackles that followed the kick.

It was mistakes by the team and single player.

Fair enough we want to debate the game, but there are so many talking points, it's a bit harsh to lay blame all in the hands of one player or one moment.

There was far too many points where we can lay blame. There is more defence of the Hoffman error than there is of Lomax's error. For me the Hoffman error had a bigger over all impact. But there were still oppertunities and turning points.

Even after the Lomax error, there was still the shenton error and the scott moore error etc


As Saint fan said, it was a whole team game and a whole team that lost the game.

Don't be silly. There's not a captain in the land (or the NRL) that wouldn't have gone for goal with less than ten minutes left. Had we opted to run we could easily have turned the ball over on the next tackle giving the impetus to Wigan. And it's not like we have a specialist drop-goal kicker in the team, anyhow.



This is different to any other team? Are you seriously suggesting that down a score Cas or Warrington would just pack up shop and concede defeat?



Perhaps. Or perhaps it was to lay the blame on the arrangement of tea leaves in the half time brew.

That can be a right bugger, that can.