The tomkins are good but the rest are avg.

I think you're wrong on Farrell, there.

Time will tell

That's a disgraceful and disrespectful comment. He was someone's son you know! You should be ashamed of yourself. I don't feel you represent the real Saints fans who did honour him at the ground tonight.

to be honest you need a few good/average players in your team to win a grand final , they are the players that fit you under the cap whilst playing as good as overpaid aussies at other clubs,Prescott and Goulding definaltey fit into this category, kind of like hargreaves has been for Saints, you say hes average but you will miss him when hes gone .

Your wrong on Farrell btw hes got a big future.

I think you've got wrong of the stick mate, i never said teams don't need the so called average players because every team needs those types of players, i was stating that i don't think the likes of goulding, prescott etc are great players.

great or not they are the type that form part of a team that win Grand finals, unsung heroes that roll there sleeves up week in week out.

FFS read the posts!

Thats what ive just said!

Despite which players were missing for Saints, ask any Wigan fan, and they will tell you (if being honest) they have been sh*tting it all week, and not at all confident! Saints have a great crop of youngster, in the first team and coming through.....yes the likes of Cunningham will be missed, but one day someone else will step into his role who will blow everyone away!! St Helens are a team, that whoever they have in their side, will be resilient, entertaining, and wont know when theyre beaten!! For these reasons Saints have nothing to be worried about!! And I agree with the original post....you'll be hurting now, but you'll most definately be back. To play the majority of the season without a regular half back pairing, combined with all the other injuries you've had, and still get to the Grand final speaks volumes about your club and players.....be proud and chins up....see you at Old Trafford next year....(gulp hope so).

Matt

Why? Is Shaun "over-rated" O'Loughlin retiring too?

Farrel's already better than any of Saints backrowers barring Tony P.

You all rave'd about Soliola but in all honesty all he's capable of are big hit's. As for doing the work of a backrower he's sh*te.

Saints will have a great frontrow next year (assuming Graham goes back to playing prop as opposed to standoff). But in the backrow your p*ss poor even with Tony P, who's now the Saints equivalent of Feka only managing a few minutes at a time before gassing.

Erm, we played poorly. You're talking rubbish.