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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "He's played 5 out of the 8 games this season, and missed out on one for disciplinary reasons.'"
So it seems he is getting game time, so why have I read countless posts on cherry&white wanting shut of him? Also, what do you make about the signing of Gleeson, considering he will be 29 when he signs for you. I remember you berating Saints for the signing of Puletua because he was 29. I take it you are dead set against the signing of Martin Glesson and would rather stick with Goulding because he is young?
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| Quote: Eurob0y "So it seems he is getting game time, so why have I read countless posts on cherry&white wanting shut of him? Also, what do you make about the signing of Gleeson, considering he will be 29 when he signs for you. I remember you berating Saints for the signing of Puletua because he was 29. I take it you are dead set against the signing of Martin Glesson and would rather stick with Goulding because he is young?'"
I'd like to keep Goulding or have him go out on loan. Gleeson would be a decent option as Bailey will probably go at the end of the season and Carmont will probably go the season after.
The only other centre we have coming through at present is Ian Thornley but I don't see him being ready for another two or three seasons. (he still qualifies at U18 academy level).
Saints are in a similar position playing Gilmour at centre
I'll have a look at the new recruits on Saturday at Orrell in the U18 academy first game of the season.
I wouldn't like to put Ainscough, Thornley, Tomkins and Goulding in at the same time too soon.
We tried that a few years back with Brown, Aspinwall, Robinson, Wild etc and it didn't work.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I'd like to keep Goulding or have him go out on loan. Gleeson would be a decent option as Bailey will probably go at the end of the season and Carmont will probably go the season after.
The only other centre we have coming through at present is Ian Thornley but I don't see him being ready for another two or three seasons. (he still qualifies at U18 academy level).
Saints are in a similar position playing Gilmour at centre
I'll have a look at the new recruits on Saturday at Orrell in the U18 academy first game of the season.
I wouldn't like to put Ainscough, Thornley, Tomkins and Goulding in at the same time too soon.
We tried that a few years back with Brown, Aspinwall, Robinson, Wild etc and it didn't work.'"
So a 29 year old Gleeson is a decent option, but a 29 year old Puletua (who is doing very very well I may add), isnt a decent option, which is what you said at the time. Wigan blinkers much?
As for putting all the young kids in at once, it worked against us on good firday a few years back!!!
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| Quote: Eurob0y "So a 29 year old Gleeson is a decent option, but a 29 year old Puletua (who is doing very very well I may add), isnt a decent option, which is what you said at the time. Wigan blinkers much?
Puletua will be 30 this year in a team that already has quite a few players over the age of 30 in the squad, and yes he is playing well.
Gleeson will be 29 this year on a team that only has two players in the squad currently over the age of 30.
You can get away with putting all the kids in for the odd game, but not for a long period. We tried it and it didn't work for us.
BTW, what's it got to do with Scott Moore, I don't think he plays for Saints or Wigan?
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| Moore is contracted at Saints until the end of 2010 - so in theory we could loan him out for another 12 months afer this and still retain him. However, I think KC will do what is right for the club and step aside and let Moore come in alongside Roby.
The only other possible vision of the future I can see is Long retiring, KC staying and Roby playing at half back for 12 months. Dont think we can justify having all 4 of them on the books next year.
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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "Moore is contracted at Saints until the end of 2010 - so in theory we could loan him out for another 12 months afer this and still retain him. However, I think KC will do what is right for the club and step aside and let Moore come in alongside Roby.
The only other possible vision of the future I can see is Long retiring, KC staying and Roby playing at half back for 12 months. Dont think we can justify having all 4 of them on the books next year.'"
Or Slong and the King could go together? But lets face it on this seasons performances/fitness both could easily do another year at least as neither particularly relies on pace. KC's 'd' is still the most fearsome in the league and Longy doesn't even need to touch the ball to contribute massively due to how well he organises us.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Or Slong and the King could go together? But lets face it on this seasons performances/fitness both could easily do another year at least as neither particularly relies on pace. KC's 'd' is still the most fearsome in the league and Longy doesn't even need to touch the ball to contribute massively due to how well he organises us.'"
its a tough balance to find....if having them both stay for 12 months meant losing Moore for the rest of his career, I would sacrifice one of them and keep Moore on. If we can keep both, get Moore on a long term contract and then loan him out for another 12 months it would seem to be the ideal situation.
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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "Moore is contracted at Saints until the end of 2010 - so in theory we could loan him out for another 12 months afer this and still retain him. However, I think KC will do what is right for the club and step aside and let Moore come in alongside Roby.
The only other possible vision of the future I can see is Long retiring, KC staying and Roby playing at half back for 12 months. Dont think we can justify having all 4 of them on the books next year.'"
I don't reckon that would do our chances of silverware any good.
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| Quote: Dux "I don't reckon that would do our chances of silverware any good.'"
might be worth taking a step backwards for the long term good.....gives us 12 months to find a new scrum half (assuming that no-one from the reserves steps up), whilst retaingin Moore and keeping KC on for a bit longer.
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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "might be worth taking a step backwards for the long term good.....gives us 12 months to find a new scrum half (assuming that no-one from the reserves steps up), whilst retaingin Moore and keeping KC on for a bit longer.'"
I'd have to agree, i think moore looks like the best young english hooker at the moment, i wouldn't want him to go to someone else longterm
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| Watching him Friday night and in the other games i've seen him this year he's been outstanding. I'd personally look at giving him a shot in the mid season England team vs France because we're crying out for a sarting hooker that can control a game and get the forwards moving.
As for his long term future at Saints it does look in the balance really. He will surely be looking at moving on if Cunningham doesn't retire and with the way he's playing i can't see that being for another season or 2.
A nice problem to have though i suppose.
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| there are worse problems to have. I would like to see kc lead us out in the new stadium, but as you say moore wont wait forever.
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www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher ... ynast.html
interview with Wayne Bennett which sums this dilemma up perfectly:
"You have a 20-year-old who is not as good as your 30-year-old pro but you know that he is going to be, he has got all the right attributes, so you take a short-term loss for a long-term gain."
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www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher ... ynast.html
interview with Wayne Bennett which sums this dilemma up perfectly:
"You have a 20-year-old who is not as good as your 30-year-old pro but you know that he is going to be, he has got all the right attributes, so you take a short-term loss for a long-term gain."
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| Quote: Wayne bennett "I studied other clubs and saw how they made mistakes; they had been great but held on to players for too long.'"
A mistake I think we are very easily in danger of making with the likes of Long and Cunningham.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "A mistake I think we are very easily in danger of making with the likes of Long and Cunningham.'"
I suspect if Eastmond hadnt got injured he would have played in a number of games this season.
We certainly need him fit and starting some of the lesser games. As he needs to get another 10 or 15 games under his belt this season, in order to have some experience to handle things when Longy retires.
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