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| Quote: Saint Simon "I'm getting seriously concerned for KCs mental health. So Walsh is better now than when he was a shoe in for man of steel before he broke his ankle?'"
That's what he said. Can't recall which game it was after now but he said it
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "It's getting chicken and egg now - are the players not good enough and thus this is why we're playing this way, or are we playing this way and it makes a lot of players look not good enough?
I think on the whole, the team is good enough, and with a settled spine they may just start to look better. There's no doubt we look better with Theo at 6, and with some game time under his belt, and some threat returned to the centres, we might start to look better.
Good performances from Thompson, Walmsley, Amor, Savelio and Walsh today'"
I think KC needs to let the players off the leash instead of holding them into this conservative style of rugby, once Lomax, Percival, Swift and Vea are back in the side our game needs to open up. Fages is starting to ask questions when he takes the line on and will find the gaps the more he plays, hopefully he gets the no 6 shirt from now on.
Its now looking that the standard of Superleague is getting below par these days, so our lack of pace and creativity is not killing us to be residing at the bottom end of the league table.
Our next home game v Hull will be a another big test that can go the same way v Wigan, lets hope the players can apply a bit more constant pressure into the game plan and play with a bit more style.
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Judder Man "I think KC needs to let the players off the leash instead of holding them into this conservative style of rugby, once Lomax, Percival, Swift and Vea are back in the side our game needs to open up. Fages is starting to ask questions when he takes the line on and will find the gaps the more he plays, hopefully he gets the no 6 shirt from now on.
Its now looking that the standard of Superleague is getting below par these days, so our lack of pace and creativity is not killing us to be residing at the bottom end of the league table.
Our next home game v Hull will be a another big test that can go the same way v Wigan, lets hope the players can apply a bit more constant pressure into the game plan and play with a bit more style.'"
Hull can't defend so we should put points on the board
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| Quote: St pete "Or the players ain't good enough to break the goal line defence down. KC made a comment a few weeks ago saying how much of better player Walsh is now than 2yrs ago as he don't throw passes everywhere. So maybe it's bit of KC style and a bit of us not having the skills to score.
One thing for sure, we won't score long distance tries these days haha'"
I don't doubt it's a mix of both - the ball dies with SMD very often, and Dawson ruined 2 2on1 chances and Peyroux ignored another today.
Things like having Turner move out of the centres and losing Percival has left us with no threat out wide
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I don't doubt it's a mix of both - the ball dies with SMD very often, and Dawson ruined 2 2on1 chances and Peyroux ignored another today.
Things like having Turner move out of the centres and losing Percival has left us with no threat out wide'"
I'd put JT back in centre where he belongs. Awful defence but good with ball
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| It was a game we should have won with a bit more ease, but nonetheless I thought it was a marked improvement. The attack wasn't clicking but I thought we had much better shape off the ball and we went easy on the early kicking. We looked like we wanted to attack more. Hopefully we'll get some continuity in the key positions and the attack will get better.
The defence was better - moving Walsh to the right made a difference - but Dawson and Owens were still a catastrophe waiting to happen. Every time the ball went their way one of them came flying in, regardless of whether Widnes had numbers or not. Thankfully Widnes didn't exploit it.
Thompson was outstanding, and the difference between him on Friday and him today tells me that he's an out and out prop and should not be picked in the back row again. He gets caught out when he gets isolated by quicker players on the edges, but slugging it out in the middle he's excellent.
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| Widnes managed to make us look better today.
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| We should have murdered Widnes, but our inability to break down their defence very nearly cost us. I'm glad we took the 2 point when we did, otherwise we would have been there all day.
Our defence wasn't really tested either so I'm not sure about that yet, but the tries we conceded were soft.
Overall, glad of the 2 points, but there is still loads of room for improvement.
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| I don't think there's any point playing Dawson at centre. I like him for a squad player, he's solid, hardworking and will fill in anywhere but he starves the winger of possession. Owens may as well sit in stand when we attack down the left cos he's never gonna get a pass, Dawson can't turn his head left. He just steps back inside and gets clobbered.
Playing Turner at left centre IMO reflects the attitude of a coach that is trying to win (thinks about his own teams strengths), whereas playing Dawson reflects an attitude of trying not to lose (Worries about the other teams strengths).
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| The number of times the referee blew up spoiled the match, Friday a referee but the whole team on a warning and the offences stopped! LMS still makes the most breaks in the pack, just don't rate both props, they are just average, two points but nothing "entertaining" and the Sky crew as ever made it even worse, Amor was on the pitch close to the end a minute, replacing Walmsley, made a break of two steps in front of the posts and stupid Barry claims still going strong, how would some of these players survived in the days of non stop replacements lol
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| The one thing that annoys me this season is how we manage awarded field penalties, we don't seem to get much distance and kicking to touch is slow and seems to be up for team discussion before kicking to touch. Quite a few times we get a penalty near the opposition 20 to 30 metre line and go for a tap penalty instead of a kick to touch, we take 2 drives in and waste 2 tackles to get 10 metres when we can do that with no effort with a kick to touch and then have 6 attempts close to the try line.
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Under Millward and Anderson we would kick to touch, and have a very deep attacking line to hit the opposition with momentum and disruption, these days its 6 drives with a semi static flat attack which goes nowhere other than a drop off pass and a grubber kick.
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| Quote: Judder Man "The one thing that annoys me this season is how we manage awarded field penalties, we don't seem to get much distance and kicking to touch is slow and seems to be up for team discussion before kicking to touch. Quite a few times we get a penalty near the opposition 20 to 30 metre line and go for a tap penalty instead of a kick to touch, we take 2 drives in and waste 2 tackles to get 10 metres when we can do that with no effort with a kick to touch and then have 6 attempts close to the try line.
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Under Millward and Anderson we would kick to touch, and have a very deep attacking line to hit the opposition with momentum and disruption, these days its 6 drives with a semi static flat attack which goes nowhere other than a drop off pass and a grubber kick.'"
Under Millward we regularly turned up at away grounds fielding criminally under strength sides and taking 50-point beatings because we couldn't be bothered.
Under Millward & Anderson we had significantly greater resources in the backs than we do now.
Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?
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| Quote: Mugwump "Under Millward we regularly turned up at away grounds fielding criminally under strength sides and taking 50-point beatings because we couldn't be bothered.
Under Millward & Anderson we had significantly greater resources in the backs than we do now.
Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?'"
Regular is inaccurate. During Millward's tenure he did that in less than a handful of games. I can remember a couple of times against Bradford and Wigan. He didn't do it for a laugh either as players weren't fit etc.
Even though he ended up coaching at Wigan, we had some of our greatest years under Millward and played some amazing rugby league. He had the courage from that first game at Hull to let us play off the cuff and brought Tommy Martyn back in from the wilderness.
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| Quote: Mugwump "
Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?'"
In terms of Structure, Game Plan, Techniques and Mental approach to games no matter how inferior our players are today KC is way out of his depth at the moment. He's not a risk taker like Millward or Game Planner like Anderson, he's very much a steadfast person who seems to be stuck in his ways, maybe he's going through a similar fate as some of our developing players in a second season syndrome.
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KC has played under 6 coaches and surely some of the coaching methods good or bad are in memory banks, he seems to be finding comfort in the Potter and Simmonds eras probably because of the quality of our players.
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KC seems very nervous now facing the media and seems to losing that "connection " with the fans, there is also the rumour that some of the players are unsettled with our style of play and game plans. Once we get all our best players maybe he KC can change things around, in the meantime we are stuck in this boring flat as pancake stuff.
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| Quote: Judder Man "In terms of Structure, Game Plan, Techniques and Mental approach to games no matter how inferior our players are today KC is way out of his depth at the moment. He's not a risk taker like Millward or Game Planner like Anderson, he's very much a steadfast person who seems to be stuck in his ways, maybe he's going through a similar fate as some of our developing players in a second season syndrome.
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KC has played under 6 coaches and surely some of the coaching methods good or bad are in memory banks, he seems to be finding comfort in the Potter and Simmonds eras probably because of the quality of our players.
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KC seems very nervous now facing the media and seems to losing that "connection " with the fans, there is also the rumour that some of the players are unsettled with our style of play and game plans. Once we get all our best players maybe he KC can change things around, in the meantime we are stuck in this boring flat as pancake stuff.'"
Whilst I'm not sure on KC, I think the accusations of stuck in his ways is unfair.
In his time he has dropped players who he thinks are under performing from juniors like Greenwood and Savelio to seniors like Turner and burns. As a team we have played grinding winter rugby and thrown it about wildly.
I'm fine with the accusations that he maybe struggling with such a big job as his first as you can't make mistakes and learn from them in a top job like he could elsewhere. But I don't buy the inflexible argument.
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