If the only example you can come up with is from 10 years ago, you're really scraping the barrell... You're comparing one incident from 10 years ago to a string of incidents involving McIlorum.

Have you ever wished you didn't get yourself involved in a conversation?

Why should he? Wilkin nearly finished Deacons career. Paul Forber, Sunny Nickle, Paul Davidson all thugs. Loved by Saints fans.

Enforcers are lived by their own fans hated by opposition. Most if us are drawn to the game because if the gladiatorial element of it. Every now and again it spills over. It happens. Move on.

Go watch t & p or football if you don't want to watch players push it to the limit, and pushing it sometimes means you step over it. It is part of what gets the passion flowing.

Terry Newton was a great example, loved by Wigan hated by everyone else, signs for Bradford, loved by Bradford and Wigan. Signs for Wakefield loved by fans of all 3 clubs. Lesson to be learned? Most fans are fickle blinkered morons.

McIllorum an enforcer He's the typical Maguire/Wane grunt. An average player and a thug lacking in basic intelligence. Newton was the same, utterly pathetic in the 'enforcer' role, never playing his cards at the right time and just becoming an utter liability.

Wilkin ... An enforcer? Really? ... Really? Wilkin is a great many things (and was prone to acts of stupidity when he was younger) an "enforcer" was never one!

Like Wilkin, mm is drawn to these moments of stupidity, however, as time went on, Wilkin grew out of them, where as if anything mm seems caught up in these incidents more and more.

Enforcers are good for the game, I agree, but nothing in that 12 second clip was to do with enforcing, or being tough or any other positive spin. Stupid at best, reckless at most probable, and thuggish at worst

There is a fine line between enforcers and thugs, historically the goons do encourage the stepping over of the line on a regular basis.
Newton for example could have broken the jaws of Gardener, Gilmour and Long in just one match, luckily he only managed to do it with the one player who now has facial problems for life.
Smith the forward was another example who was warned in the NRL about his raising of the knees, goons came along and signed him so he could carry on his thuggery, the end result was a career ending injury to the shoulder sockets of John Stankevitch had to stop plaing the game 5 years before his time.
Finally we had the goons signing up Madge for his dirty techniques campaign, up to then we never heard of the "chicken wing" and "cannon ball" tackles which can put a player out for a season or career.

An average player with lesser skills will use effort/aggression to compensate. Fans will like them for always putting in the effort for their team.

I would not confuse this with enforcers. Enforcers can be thugs but can be decent players. The best enforcers will dominate by presence. Thugs take cheap shots.

An enforcer will stand his ground and fists will fly. A thug makes a cheap shot during a tackle. Enforcers wwould be nickle

Damn pressed send mid flow.

Enforcers for me would be nickle, scully, both mcdermotts, Farrell could do it at times. But basically. Guy who will front up. Then there are the cheap shots. Davidson springs to mind, newton, I would say Bailey but I don't think he is dangerous.

There are others.

I've never been a fan of a dirty player. Push the rules fine. Be aggressive fine. But psycho does not do it for me. From the minute Davidson used take the field my only tthought was what damage will he do.

Spear tackle on John Gallagher, or did that slip your mind?

I think we also had the infectious Pongia incident which the Wigan club kept quiet until a certain player leaked it out by accident and the player was shipped out to another club.

You've lost me here judders

Hep c

Pongia played for three months after being found to have Hep B.

Didn't play again after it was revealed, Luke Rob allegedly got shifted on for disclosing the condition.