Yes I'm on about his kick returns. I know he's only just turned 20 but I've seen the likes of charnley, tomkins, Briscoe, hall etc all beat men at that age.

Only time will tell of he will make a fullback but IMO hohaia should be #1 next year.

Makinson still looks like a rabbit in headlights nearly every time he has the ball and just doesn't seem to know what to do with it half the time - he has the physical attributes to be a top player at #1 or #2/#5 but just not the instincts (at least not yet). For me he'll end up a centre when he's bulked up a bit.

And Meli is one of the top 5 wingers in SL and our best outside back by a country mile and has been for a good few years now. As always the kneejerkers sit coiled waiting for him to have an off game (ignoring all the good games he's had in the meantime) so they can launch into action and justify their little one-eyed pre-formed opinions with only the slightest evidence to be able to support it.

*double post* Grrrrrr

I think one more year on the wing won't do tommy any harm.

You talk utter drivel.

How often do you see Meli beat a man? How often do you see Gardner beat a man? Not often, on either count. Saints appear to use wingers as battering rams rather than evasive options.

Makinson isn't the same style of winger as Meli or Gardner and they are getting on now, makinson is young, suppose to be fast but I just don't see how he can beat a man.

Right, so you happily excuse two decidedly average wingers because they aren't the 'same style' (what style are they anyway?) and because they are old, but you'll criticise a guy who has yet to play a full season, is playing in a position he didn't play until first team, and who always, always plays his best games in crunch matches. And all over one move in a match.

Well done you.

You've taken my post totally the wrong way, I'll leave it there, I'm not going to be one of your many enemies on here.

Ooh - some replies from SaintsFan that I can't see thankfully. Let me guess at their contents: "Makinson is perfect and wonderful and is the deserved MoM every game. Meli is the evil spawn of Satan and is the cause of every defeat we ever suffer and utterly useless in every way. Overseas internationals are all abominations against God and Saints would have more success playing random kids or amateurs from Blackbrook and Thatto Heath who would at least show some pride in the shirt instead. etc. etc."

Am I warm?

Enemies? I don't have any enemies on here.

If I've taken your post the wrong way then you could explain it to me in a different way and maybe I will understand better the point you were trying to make. All I can see is a somewhat unfair criticism of a young player who was outstanding tonight.

Then why criticise him for his kick returns? They are such a tiny aspect of the game. They are so unimportant within a match. So long as he gains some yards, surely that is all that matters? And he does that. He was quite effective in doing that tonight, for instance.

Kick returns are not important and only a small part of a wingers game?

Are you having a laugh? Kick returns are vital as they put teams on the front foot giving the team momentum.

If your kick returns are poor, it makes clearing your line so much harder and IS massive part of a wingers game.