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| Quote: Donkey OTay "Yes, he was left to defend all that wing on his own, often with three pie eaters running at him. But I'm sure that's Meli's fault too, because his team-mates don't want to stand within ten yeards of him in defence.
No, it's because he is quite clearly crap.
Foster is the better choice as he can also kick goals.
In 16 games Foster has scored 172 points.
He averages 10.75 points per game.
In 139 games Meli has scored 376 points.
He averages 2.7 points per game.
Meli also gives away far too many points in stupid errors and bad defensive choices, this is a fact not an opinion. The stats speak for themselves, it would be much more valuable to play Foster over Meli as he will almost definately score more points and no other part of the team has to be changed to accomodate a specialist kicker. Although im fairly sure Meli will be starting somewhere, its just not the way I would go about it.
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| Hunting season has started on Meli, then.
Feck me, he's not even touched a ball yet.
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| Quote: Ski "Hunting season has started on Meli, then.
Feck me, he's not even touched a ball yet.'"
He's played in 2 friendlies and already managed to drop a ball within 20m off his own line against Widnes off a bomb. As far as i'm concerned he doesn't need to touch a ball, i've had enough of watching him gift points to the opposition from the past few seasons really. If he has sorted out his problems over the off season (which I doubt) and turns out to be a miraculous player, I vow to eat my socks.
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| Question for you. Who would you rather have? Meli, or Penny?
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| Quote: Ski "Question for you. Who would you rather have? Meli, or Penny?'"
As much as I don't rate Meli, he's a million times better than Penny.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "No, it's because he is quite clearly crap.
Foster is the better choice as he can also kick goals.
In 16 games Foster has scored 172 points.
He averages 10.75 points per game.
In 139 games Meli has scored 376 points.
He averages 2.7 points per game.
Meli also gives away far too many points in stupid errors and bad defensive choices, this is a fact not an opinion. The stats speak for themselves, it would be much more valuable to play Foster over Meli as he will almost definately score more points and no other part of the team has to be changed to accomodate a specialist kicker. Although im fairly sure Meli will be starting somewhere, its just not the way I would go about it.'"
2.7 points per game for a non kicker is good going, it's marginally better than 2 tries every three games. That's a good return over 139 games.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "2.7 points per game for a non kicker is good going, it's marginally better than 2 tries every three games. That's a good return over 139 games.'"
I agree, i'm not saying he isn't a good tryscorer. The point I was making was that Foster would potentially add more points to the total than Meli. Also that Meli has a habbit of giving away soft try's to the opposition.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "No, it's because he is quite clearly crap.
Foster is the better choice as he can also kick goals.
In 16 games Foster has scored 172 points.
He averages 10.75 points per game.
In 139 games Meli has scored 376 points.
He averages 2.7 points per game.
Meli also gives away far too many points in stupid errors and bad defensive choices, this is a fact not an opinion. The stats speak for themselves, it would be much more valuable to play Foster over Meli as he will almost definately score more points and no other part of the team has to be changed to accomodate a specialist kicker. Although im fairly sure Meli will be starting somewhere, its just not the way I would go about it.'"
Thats a ridiculous comparison. You cant compare the points for a kicker and a none kicker.
Last season Meli scored 21 tries in 20 games. 1.05 per game.
Foster scored 7 tries in 11 games. 0.64 per game.
Meli makes mistakes but he scores the tries. Foster should be in the team ahead of Gardner though.
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| Meli for all his sins is a fantastic finisher and a genuine threat from 5m.
Foster isn't a threat at all. No pace, no footwork, no strength. In fact the only thing going for him is his nice hair. He can't kick goals and he'll never be anything other than an average SL winger. Perhaps if we had Jamie Lyon or Paul Newlove on his inside it would be okay, but we don't.
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| Quote: Ashy "Thats a ridiculous comparison. You cant compare the points for a kicker and a none kicker.
Last season Meli scored 21 tries in 20 games. 1.05 per game.
Foster scored 7 tries in 11 games. 0.64 per game.
Meli makes mistakes but he scores the tries. Foster should be in the team ahead of Gardner though.'"
You have missed my point completely. The fact that one is a kicker and one is a non kicker is irrelevant in this comparison. I was comparing the points that each player contributes per game, not the points contributed due to trys scored.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "You have missed my point completely. The fact that one is a kicker and one is a non kicker is irrelevant in this comparison. I was comparing the points that each player contributes per game, not the points contributed due to trys scored.'"
What a daft comparison. Using that comparison Ste Tyrer would rate above Greg Inglis.
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| Quote: Saddened! "What a daft comparison. Using that comparison Ste Tyrer would rate above Greg Inglis.'"
I was comparing the points they contributed per game. Not the standard or ability of the player. Just that having Foster in the team as a goalkicker would contribute more points than having Meli.
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| Quote: Ashy "Last season Meli scored 21 tries in 20 games. 1.05 per game.
Foster scored 7 tries in 11 games. 0.64 per game.'"
But how many tries did each of them concede? I'm sure working that out would balance things out a little! Seriously, though, Meli is an incredibly experienced winger built like a brick poohouse: he should be scoring lots of tries. Foster played at centre in the youth teams, is a skinny thing who only started playing first grade halfway through last season. Can't really compare the two.
Personally, as is well documented on here, I would ditch Meli for Foster just because Meli is a defensive liability but successive Aussie coaches don't share my view so I guess Gardner could be in for the drop this weekend if neither Lomax nor Eastmond is up to kicking duties.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "But how many tries did each of them concede? I'm sure working that out would balance things out a little!
That is the line of thinking i've been trying (and failing by the looks of it) to explain. Not the Foster is neccesarily better than Meli or that they can be compared in terms of gameplay, just that Foster could potentially contribute more points to the team and the team total could be higher with Foster playing rather than Meli.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Meli for all his sins is a fantastic finisher and a genuine threat from 5m.
Foster isn't a threat at all. No pace, no footwork, no strength. In fact the only thing going for him is his nice hair. He can't kick goals and he'll never be anything other than an average SL winger. Perhaps if we had Jamie Lyon or Paul Newlove on his inside it would be okay, but we don't.'"
I'll take Foster and raise you a Sean Day
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