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| Christ!
All teams and all players try and get away with as much as they can - just because sam has been highlighted on TV by a commentator who can't tell the difference between Tommy L and Piggy in slow motion everyone is going crazy about it.
Players are constantly trying to push the ball out of the attackers hands in a multiple tackle to make it look like a knock on - that's conning the ref - shouldn't we start a witchhunt on that?
Defenders constantly stand with one foot over the try line when they should have both on it when they think the ref isn't looking - thats conning the ref - should we start a witchhunt over that.
Some players claim for a try when they are nowhere near grounding the ball - again conning the ref - witchhunt anyone?
Or shall we wait until Eddie comes up with his next petty thing to go on about and follow that like sheep for a while?
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| Quote: Big Steve "Christ!
All teams and all players try and get away with as much as they can - just because sam has been highlighted on TV by a commentator who can't tell the difference between Tommy L and Piggy in slow motion everyone is going crazy about it.
Players are constantly trying to push the ball out of the attackers hands in a multiple tackle to make it look like a knock on - that's conning the ref - shouldn't we start a witchhunt on that?
Defenders constantly stand with one foot over the try line when they should have both on it when they think the ref isn't looking - thats conning the ref - should we start a witchhunt over that.
Some players claim for a try when they are nowhere near grounding the ball - again conning the ref - witchhunt anyone?
Or shall we wait until Eddie comes up with his next petty thing to go on about and follow that like sheep for a while?'"
Completely agree with this post, players have and always will push the boundaries and try to get away with what they can, if the ref can't determine what is happening then a player will fill his boots. Its not like its a new thing, players have done it for years. Eddie is getting more annoying as the years go by, they need to hand over to Mr Carney who just gets better.
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| Quote: St-Bernards Head "Beause though it may not be written in the rules doing something like that to gain an unfair advantage over an opponent is cheating. Think about it before criticising my beliefs.'"
you're just showing a lack of knowledge of the rules of the game, your "beliefs" are irrelevant! Tompkins played to the rules and should be applauded, noone has yet said what he's supposed to have done wrong???
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| Quote: Saint Simon "you're just showing a lack of knowledge of the rules of the game, your "beliefs" are irrelevant! Tompkins played to the rules and should be applauded, noone has yet said what he's supposed to have done wrong???'"
It's against the rules to interfere with a defender's movement after a tackle is completed and is classed as obstruction. If it's not illegal, why not just hold a defender on top of you for 20 minutes if you're in front in a game?
Incidentally, I would imagine what McGuire did is also classed as obstruction, yet seems to warrant a ruptured knee in the eyes of plenty of Wigan fans.
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| It is defenitley not in the morals of th game at all! Its also not in the rules that when taking a conversion you aren't allowed to welly the ball into the onlooking opposition players but u just dont do it! If he has to cheatto gain an advantage heisnt half the player people believe he is.
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| Quote: St-Bernards Head "It is defenitley not in the morals of th game at all! Its also not in the rules that when taking a conversion you aren't allowed to welly the ball into the onlooking opposition players but u just dont do it! If he has to cheatto gain an advantage heisnt half the player people believe he is.'"
i grant you that, definitely not in the spirit of the game
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| Quote: Saint Simon "i grant you that, definitely not in the spirit of the game'"
To be fair you could pick half a dozen incidents per game that are not in the spirit of the game, I really don't think it is a big deal as lots of players do it.
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| Quote: sonny "To be fair you could pick half a dozen incidents per game that are not in the spirit of the game, I really don't think it is a big deal as lots of players do it.'"
My point exactly mate
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| Quote: talulah "How can the ref allow additional time? [sizeThe time that a tackler has to get away from the tackle is specified in the rules.[/size If the ref allows more than that then he is not applying the rules of the game. which is his job out there.
You could argue that the rules should be changed, which is a reasonable standpoint (bearing in mind the consequential difficulties that could arise from that), but criticising Sam Tomkins for playing to the rules shows that you are probably arguing this point just because it is Sam Tomkins. I understand that (I dislike Leon Pryce for example, partly for how he plays, but mostly because he is so good
What rules have a specific number of seconds to disentangle yourself from a player you have just tackled? Please show me.
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| Surely its not good when you have to pull a fast one to get a penalty to get you closer to the try line, Wigan have enough quality players to do this without other fans from other teams going against them, S Tompkins is a very clever fast player one day he will meet his match, i would say its the other Tompkins brother who is more irritating, just hope we stop em both on Fri night or were in the ......................
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| Quote: ExiledWool "The problem with the holding down is that it always goes against the defender. I don't think I've ever seen a penalty given against the attacking player for holding down and thereby not allowing the defender to leave the ruck. Is there a rule for that?'"
There was a penalty in the Featherstone v Halifax game on Thursday night for exactly the situation you described. You're right though, they are as rare as rocking horse poo.
As for Tomkins cheating, it's complete nonsense. Watch any NRL game and you'll see the same thing happen several times during the game. As someone said before, if Tomkins did it against the Aussies to win us a match winning penalty, we'd be happy enough. It's something Maguire has brought over from Melbourne, where Billy Slater is a master of it
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| Who is Thomkins??
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| Quote: MH79 "There was a penalty in the Featherstone v Halifax game on Thursday night for exactly the situation you described. You're right though, they are as rare as rocking horse poo.
As for Tomkins cheating, it's complete nonsense. Watch any NRL game and you'll see the same thing happen several times during the game. As someone said before, if Tomkins did it against the Aussies to win us a match winning penalty, we'd be happy enough. It's something Maguire has brought over from Melbourne, where Billy Slater is a master of it'"
I think your missing the point.
It's the way he does it and does it repeatedly that suggests it's premeditated and annoys fans.
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| Quote: Ian Roberts Closet "Who is Thomkins??'"
You know, Thomkins - friends with Tompkins.
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