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| Quote post="post"He was that offside he was sat in the stretford end reading the programme and eating a packet of over priced crisps when McGuire kicked it through so he folded his crisp bag into a triangle, legged it down the steps, asked for permission from the jobsworth steward who after minutes of umming and arring let him over the barrier and then Lee Smith plonked the ball over the line.
Game, set and match Leeds!'"
There's another version i could put but its unsuitable for a family RL board.
Ah well. Yorkshire os. 
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| Quote saintyick="saintyick"There's another version i could put but its unsuitable for a family RL board.
Ah well. Yorkshire os.
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Well lets stop this particular train of thought right there then eh. Please keep this relevant to St Etrigan's original question lest it goes the way of MJ.
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| Quote Tony Stark="Tony Stark"Well lets stop this particular train of thought right there then eh. Please keep this relevant to St Etrigan's original question lest it goes the way of MJ.'"
Fair do's pal.
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| It was offside, simple as that. The players knew as they lined up for the inevitable penalty, the fans knew as only cheers came from the saints end when it showed the incident on screen.
All the commentators, both on sky and the bbc, said it was offside. Even teletext said it was offside.
If the correct decision is made then saints have a penalty with 7 minutes left with a reasonable chance of winning the game. The only person that thinks it was onside is Phil Bentham, who I do not believe is that incompetent.
History was not made, it was manufactured. And that's why RL will always be classed as a mickey mouse sport in this country no better than wrestling in terms of integrity.
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| Quote TheOtherOne="TheOtherOne"It was offside, simple as that. The players knew as they lined up for the inevitable penalty, the fans knew as only cheers came from the saints end when it showed the incident on screen.
All the commentators, both on sky and the bbc, said it was offside. Even teletext said it was offside.
If the correct decision is made then saints have a penalty with 7 minutes left with a reasonable chance of winning the game. The only person that thinks it was onside is Phil Bentham, who I do not believe is that incompetent.
History was not made, it was manufactured. And that's why RL will always be classed as a mickey mouse sport in this country no better than wrestling in terms of integrity.'"
Spoken like a true 3 times loser  Have some dignity like your players. Take it on the chin and come back stronger next season
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| offside simple as shocking decision
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| Quote dano="dano"offside simple as shocking decision'"
Come back when you qualify
Quote danoLeague Table P W D L PF PA DIF PTS
1 Leeds 27 21 0 6 805 453 352 42
2 St Helens 27 19 0 8 733 466 267 38
3 Huddersfield 27 18 0 9 690 416 274 36
4 Hull K R 27 17 1 9 650 516 134 35
5 Wakefield 27 16 0 11 685 609 76 32
6 Wigan 27 15 0 12 659 551 108 30
7 Castleford 27 14 0 13 645 702 -57 28
8 Catalans 27 13 0 14 613 660 -47 26
9 Bradford 27 12 1 14 653 668 -15 25
10 Warrington 27 12 0 15 649 705 -56 24
11 Harlequins RL 27 11 0 16 591 691 -100 22
=red12 Hull 27 10 0 17 502 623 -121 20
13 Salford 27 7 0 20 456 754 -298 14
14 Crusaders 27 3 0 24 357 874 -517 6'"
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| Nothing wrong with it and Jon Wilkin agree's. Get over it.
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| THAT try eh? It will always be talked about. And, unfortunately the GF will be remembered for that and not for the entertain it brought. IMO it was the best game of the season!
And, with or without the try, the scoreboard was in Leeds favour, and I think the best team won!
But, after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? Which they weren't!
But I'll repeat again, the best team won! 
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| So my guess is that nobody actually knows the answer to my question and once again a thread starts to drop into chaos.
My faith in the players knowing the actual rule is slightly higher than the TV commentators but I wouldnt be risking any money on either of their answers. The ref should have been able to make the right decision - I am quite happy if that is the case - but the fact that I cannot find any reference to it in the rule book - and it seems nobody else can either - makes me wonder if it is simply an interpretation - I would have thought that something as obvious as which 2 reference points to judge an offside decision against would not be left to interpretation.
Anyway thanks for the help the ones of you who gave it but it seems clear to me that none of us actually know the answer. I have sent an e-mail to Stuart Cummins to see if he can help - If I get a reply I will let you know.
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| Quote Jen_n_Nay="Jen_n_Nay"after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? '" if you gonna post, post the truth! What you have put here is wrong. Bentham said lee smiths feet were behind the ball. Which is the rule. Not mcguires standing foot, not his kicking foot, but the ball.
get it right it's there for all to hear.
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| Quote Jen_n_Nay="Jen_n_Nay"But, after the try was given - Bentham justified the decision by saying both Smiths feet were behind McGuires?? Which they weren't!
But I'll repeat again, the best team won!
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He actually said that they were behind the ball - not Maguires feet - hence the reason for this thread.
And yes the best team did win
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