Thats because they are rubbish, McNamara has brought in some of the most mediocre players in SL

When I was leaving my seat after the GF I said to my son. "Take a good look at the place as I don't think we will be back here for a while".

I hope I am wrong, but with the likes of KC and Longy getting older and not having got a left centre plus after the 1st 17 we seem very light I think we will finish 3rd or 4th in the league, win our home play off game then get KO'd away.

The CC is down to luck of the draw. You could get the likes of Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Warrington and the Hull clubs all knocking each other out whilst we play National League teams, get to the final and anyone can win a "one off" game

my opinion, if it counts, is you need to stay virtually injury free. 1-17 is still class although not as good as leeds, although i am biased obviously.

Has anyone actually thought this through ?

Who in the division, with the exception of Leeds, is going to compete with Saints ?

Nobody is the truth, we have basically lost a left centre and ideally a replacement will be signed but that is it. Saints will finish either top or second and barring some catastrophe will be at OT again next year.

Even Leeds!

We are desperatly lacking pace in the outside backs, Meli is a liability, Wellens form looks poor atm and we are heavily relying on Gidley,Cunningham and Long who are the wrong side of 30. If key players stay clear of injuries and some of the young guys continue to get game time and develop we will go well.

Most imortant issue is we need a Centre - Several young lads maybe options but are they ready? Wheeler, Foster, Tyrer all being touted as our centre option , can they make the step up?

who's our new number 4 and is he class?

Wigan and Catalans can compete and maybe afew others, you cannot just look at recruitment, the players already at the club can improve, we have many players who still have not hit there full potential plus afew new signings and some youngsters coming through.
Fielden, Smith, Mathers, Goulding, Lulu, Tomkins S, Tomkins J, Hock, Lockers, Coley, O'Carroll, Prescott and Feka all still have massive room for improvement, where as the Saints and Leeds players do not have this same room for improvement as many of them are already class.

Wigan compete with Saints.

I understand Saints have lost a centre, Wigan have lost the only top player they had.

If Wigan finish above Saints next season, I will personally show my backside at Wigan townhall.

I never said we would finish above saints, there is no chance of that happening, I dont think we will beat saints either, but we will be right behind them, I can see us doing well in games in which we would usually slip up.

Carmont, Richards, Hock (when he behaves himself), Fielden (back end of season) and Feka are all top players who pretty much all teams would love to have, we have also gained a top player in Riddell

Tad I think Saints have more than enough to be in the top 2.