Should I laugh or should I cry?

People are easily led. It only takes one person with a grudge to paint a target on some player's back and you can guarantee half of St. Helens will come running with spears and axes. And you are such a person.

I called you out last season for the same thing - despite the fact that Mose had effectively carried the heavy work in the pack for a third of the season (when he was gasping away dragging most of his weight and totally unfit).

Mercifully you were forced to shut up when Saints won the GF. But come the first sign of trouble and you are back to your old hobby horse with the tedious predictability of a Swiss clock.



And you are - wrong.

Not overly interested in a slanging match on here, but Mose is a joke. The usual 7-8 min spells for a full time professional are an embarrassment & often even these spells arent that effective. IMO he puts far too much pressure on the shoulders of Amor & AW. I commented myself at the Hull game he was stood in the centres during his very brief second spell which is why he carries the ball so infrequently. I wouldn't shed any tears if he was suitably replaced tomorrow - the fact is when were in an arm wrestle & it's back against the wall he goes missing more often than not, and despite being on his knees AW was brought back on after 7 mins yesterday when the game was in the balance - Speaks volumes that.
People talk about impact, 6-7 mins in 40 minutes a half with us having possibly 3-4 sets of six during that time, give me a break. I for one could live without those 4 carries a game for another solid tough front rower.

Fortunately there exists a healthy group of fans whose knees don't hyperextend at the slightltest kiss of a pollen grain.

I can't predict Mose's future - but I do know he isn't responsible for all but two forwards' uncharacteristically poor performance yesterday.

These lads are professionals, after all.

However, we should probably cut ALL OF THEM some slack after a hard Easter.

I,ve said many times last season and this season that this club does not know how to use Mose correctly.
He is an IMPACT prop and should be used as such, we seem to be giving him very poor quality ball with very little depth, we use him as a decoy runner, on many occasions we switch play away from him.
If you look at some of the old NRL and International footage he is used differently.

One of the biggest problems is the absence of all of our creative players this means all our set plays have dried up and we are struggling with second phase, this has negated any Mose effect on his short stints on the pitch. He,s too lazy to be a hard working prop, maybe KC has asked him to more hard yards.....I don,t know.

Also Amor is a worry at the moment, he is in very poor form, hard working yes but he is easily dominated and his offloads have suffered, he misses quite a lot tackles now, it makes you wonder if he is playing with an injury.

Sorry Mugwamp but I agree with St Pete on Mose. I think he's a potential game changer when he wants to be, but those moments are few and far between. Fact is, he's lazy and doesn't do enough for his team. I don't care about stats, I know what I can see most games...a player who stands in the background whilst others try and drive the ball up out of their twenty. A player who always seems to be 3rd in the tackle when the job is done.

My opinion has nothing to do with us being on a 3 match losing run. I know that run is down to injuries to key playmakers.

Richards had a howler against Wigan, but he's got heart and the crowd can see it. Thompson & Amor are others I also refuse to criticise because they've also clearly got heart. Mose's on holiday which is a shame because he's brilliant when he wants to be.

Exactly my views on him. Maybe Im a little more critical because I know he can be a good player but he chooses to be lazy.

Amor isn't plsying great at the moment, I think most will agree on this but he gives 100% every single week so can't really call him.

Same goes with sav, Richards and Thompson, they haven't set the world on fire this season and probably not kicked on how we expected but again the effort is there and you can't knock that.

Id want nothing more to see Mose causing destruction on the field. He's a big jolly likeable guy but that can't hide the fact he's letting himself down, the fans down and more importantly his mates on the field, exotically the likes of walmsley and Amor.

I do go to the games and the criticism of Masoe is unfair and incorrect. Stats aren't everything, but there is something to be learned from them. And even if some of his tackles are second or third man, surely that applies to all players...unless in this one eyed world, every body else is always first into the tackle and Masoe is always third.

Yes, he probably spends less time on the field and makes less carries and tackles across a season. But as has been pointed out, his role is not one of a grinding prop, just trundling in to make four or five metres a time. His is there to do other things. Also, he worked hard during a period of the game at Wigan to keep pressure on the pie gobblers in the mud. Both Amor and Walmsley are very good props although Amor isn't playing anywhere near his potential.

Its easy to pick on isolated moments to criticise a player. I like Makinson tremendously but what good was his 'heart' when he looked like Radlinski when stepped for their try.....see easy. And Richards at Wigan....all 'heart' but alas, no skill....or composure....or technique....or execution. See Easy....again.

I said earlier that I thought he put a shift in tackling but his attack seemed dulled. But in the end, the stats are important.

Yes he can be 3rd man in, but also second and first and over the weekend he was doing some tackles closing the gap. He sometimes hits and bounces too, so is the first and 3rd man in.

I would certainly not say that his efforts were a causal factor in the loss/es. It was the lack of a half was the reason we lost. For me in all 3 games the pack has done the job, but the backs are shot to pieces. In the end we have 2 primary wingers playing in position. 1 Primary winger on Monday. When you have second, third and fourth string people covering positions in the backs, it is going to dull the attacking edge.

I prefer heart and no skill to no heart and no skill.


He's bone idle lazy, Simple as that.