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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm not having a go, but he is supposed to be one of our smarter players. For intance , if he spent the whole game offering himself as a simple runner on Lomax's inside, it would help immensly. Saying that, if he's had different instructions.....'"


I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.

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Wilkin has been misused by a succession of coaches at Saints, and as a result, we have never seen the best of him. He was singed as the "new Scully", but has never yet been given the 13 shirt. I think that sums up how he has been treated. Hopefully, the change of coach can bring our the best in Wilkin, give him the 13 jersey, as a traditional ball playing, kicking, loose forward in the Sinfield, Scully, Harry Pinner mould, and lets see what he can do. Otherwise, he will end his career as a player who never fulfilled his potential due to mismangement. I belive we are lucky to have retained him, he could easily have gone elsewhere for a regular 13 jersey.

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Quote: FearTheVee "I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.'"

Wilkin doesn't deserve individual criticism IMO, I'm just spitballing as to ways our current plight could/will be solved.
Whilst I agree he is a willing runner, it would have shown good ingenuity if he'd taken the decision to move in field from his usual wider line to play the role I mentioned. That may have helped pull in the defence more in the last couple of games.

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Quote: Mugwump "No one disputes whether Wilkin is putting the work in. It's his leadership and direction, or lack thereof which is in question at precisely the time when we need both the most.'"

Exactly.

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Quote: Mugwump "No one disputes whether Wilkin is putting the work in. It's his leadership and direction, or lack thereof which is in question at precisely the time when we need both the most.'"

Unfortunately some people simply aren't leaders and that is maybe the case with wilkin. It's easier to train a player to tackle or pass or kick than to lead. Roby is a genuine world class player who I don't really see as a leader. Newlove was never a leader. We are asking wilkin to do everything, let's give him a break from being a leader too?

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Quote: Sthelens RLFC "What specifically is he not doing?'"


He is not taking control of the play when it is obvious Gaskell and Lomax are struggling. This is a guy who has played entire games in the halves, dictating the pace and direction of Saints' attack (with effective passing and kicking), often to enormous effect.

Against Hull it was obvious Lomax was falling apart. Even simple passing moves were being blown, mistimed etc. During periods like these you need an experienced, tactically aware player to assume some semblance of control and relieve the pressure from the youngsters. Wilkin has done this in the past. He is not doing it now - for whatever reason.

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Quote: SomersetSaint "Unfortunately some people simply aren't leaders and that is maybe the case with wilkin. It's easier to train a player to tackle or pass or kick than to lead. Roby is a genuine world class player who I don't really see as a leader. Newlove was never a leader. We are asking wilkin to do everything, let's give him a break from being a leader too?'"


Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.

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Quote: Mugwump "Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.'"


People always bang on about that Leeds game but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.

Wilkin will be remembered for that game at Leeds, a challenge cup semi against a lower league club and also that he runs good lines.

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Quote: St pete "People always bang on about that Leeds game'"


As they should. He was exceptional.

Quote: St pete "but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.'"


It's not like he was destined to stay in that role forever. The positional change was purely temporary because of injuries. And Wilkin has performed a similar role - with varying degrees of success - for years. Unfortunately, he seems to have gone missing precisely when he is needed the most.

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Quote: St pete "People always bang on about that Leeds game but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.
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He was also superb last season when asked by Royce to cover at stand off when we had no halves left at all.

Jon Wilkin is a natural talker. He loves sharing his opinions. He knows the game inside out and has a rugby brain. He's been at Saints almost as long as Wello. Therefore, he is the natural candidate to offer guidance to our inexperienced halfbacks but he has thus far declined to do it. Without Roby on the field as well we spent the last 2.5 games with nobody giving direction and Royce lost his job as a result.

Because Wilkin is a senior player with skill, knowledge, experience and longevity at the club it is absolutely right that people have higher expectations of him than of our less experienced or newer players. He has failed to take on his responsibilities for the sake of the team IMO.

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Quote: Mugwump "Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.'"

Ancient Chinese proverb:

One game in ten years does not a leader make.

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Quote: SaintsFan "He was also superb last season when asked by Royce to cover at stand off when we had no halves left at all.

Jon Wilkin is a natural talker. He loves sharing his opinions. He knows the game inside out and has a rugby brain. He's been at Saints almost as long as Wello. Therefore, he is the natural candidate to offer guidance to our inexperienced halfbacks but he has thus far declined to do it. Without Roby on the field as well we spent the last 2.5 games with nobody giving direction and Royce lost his job as a result.

Because Wilkin is a senior player with skill, knowledge, experience and longevity at the club it is absolutely right that people have higher expectations of him than of our less experienced or newer players. He has failed to take on his responsibilities for the sake of the team IMO.'"


He was very good last year and IMO was best backrow in super league.

I've just never rated him to be honest, he always does his tacking which I can't knock him for but he's to slow for a stand off and not big enough to play backrow.

I dont think he's rubbish but IMO he's massively overated and is living off the back of a good season in 2006 and a game at Leeds which was a one off.

To say he's a leader is laughable.

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Quote: FearTheVee "I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.'"


Did you watch him against Hull? He was shocking; I was right near him where he was at one stage in the second half when we were supposed to be attacking the Hull line and he was just stood around refusing to join the line. I thought he must be injured or something but he just looked confused and disinterested.
If I didn't know better it looked like fear.

I wouldn't hang him for 1 bad match but he hasn't been great this season (he's not alone there) and I know he can do better which is just annoying as I'm sure he would like to do better.
Perhaps new coaching.......?.

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Quote: saint at wire "I wouldn't hang him for 1 bad match but he hasn't been great this season (he's not alone there) and I know he can do better which is just annoying as I'm sure he would like to do better.
Perhaps new coaching.......?.'"

Nothing wrong with the coaching. Remember, he was outstanding last year. Same coach as the one we had against Hull.

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Maybe Wilkin has shown leadership qualities in spades by choosing not to put himself in the way of Simmons' gameplan? A sort of 'work to rule' to show the gameplan is flawed, in the hope that Simmons changed it/got dumped? If the senior players had lost confidence in Simmons, why would you expect them to try to bale him out?

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