Damn. I had my rugby bus pass neatly tucked in there! I can see me losing one or more of these things at some point during the season.

I don't see why I need both. I have the swipe card, even if the reader isn't working, why can't i just show my card to the turnstile attendant?

I asked that at the shop when i picked up my season ticket, i think the poor girl i asked brain crashed as she just froze lol

I presume it's to make sure that only hose people with tickets get in should the card readers not be working. By insisting that you bring the paper version as well, in the event of that happening they'll just rip the appropriate voucher out of your book. If you don't have your book with you then it's your own fault as we've been told several times that we must bring both to the Halton Stadium to ensure entry! This will stop unscrupulous people passing their seasoncards on to their mates and saying the reader isn't working/ recognizing my card.

i know i seem like im moaning, but they should either believe in the technology or not have it, the system works at countless stadia across the country

I totally agree with you, it's been used at stadiums up and down the country for a few years now so I don't see why it won't work at the Stobart. It may just be Saints being cautious. I'm not sure on the Stobart Stadiums highest attendance but maybe they're worried that the probable sell out for the Wire game will be too much for the system to handle. Do we know if it's newly installed there? Or have they had it for a while now?

In which case we don't need the books so why issue them?

But if they think the swipe cards won't work (which they must do or we wouldn't have the books) they'll have to man them anyway unless they can magic up a full crew of turnstile attendants at 2 minutes notice on a Friday night when it turns out that they don't work.

Intertesting point, if I have a card and a book can I get 2 people in? If not then that means you'll have to show both and if you forget one or the other you won't get in. Otherwise I can give my swipe card to someone else and then go up and say I've forgotten my card but here's my book. Then the 2nd person swipes in.

Presumably because there would not then be any evidence that you had attended.

But why does that matter? They'll count my season ticket as a sale anyway.

But if you enter the ground without leaving a trail of some kind, how do they know how many people have entered the ground?

never seen those little hand counters bouncers use?

Nope. Do Saints use them too?

By law, all Stadia now have to have some sort of turnstile monitor counting how many times they admit someone (probably brought in after the Taylor report).

Where I work, the electronic counter is displayed in the Boardroom so the directors can keep an eye on the attendance.

I've no idea, I presume there is some other way, possibly a mechanism within the turnstile. Other sports grounds have these kind of entry systems without the need for a ticket book at every match.

If it is due to possible failure they won't have turnstile operatives on every turnstile, so as Saint Simon says, a steward with a counter (which cost about a fiver) being shown your card is just as easy, if not easier.