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| Quote: Saddened! "1 - Refund all Saints fans the amount they paid for the Magic Weekend ticket. Seriously, if you've any pride left, do this first thing.
2 - Fire Nathan Brown and hire a proper coach.'"
Forget 1, just do 2.
On paper, we have the best squad in SuperLeague. I appreciate we've had some injuries, but Brown should be doing far, far better than this. Our opening to the season saw us where we should be - steamrollering other sides. But despite having a whole season to test different combinations, he still dicks about with positions and tactics.
Eamonn and his chums have invested first in the stadium/infrastructure and now in the playing squad. They deserve a much better return than this.
A truly great coach would have this team walking SuperLeague this season.
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| If you think you have the best squad in super league you are seriously deluded!
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| Quote: Th'ump "Forget 1, just do 2.
On paper, we have the best squad in SuperLeague. I appreciate we've had some injuries, but Brown should be doing far, far better than this. Our opening to the season saw us where we should be - steamrollering other sides. But despite having a whole season to test different combinations, he still dicks about with positions and tactics.
Eamonn and his chums have invested first in the stadium/infrastructure and now in the playing squad. They deserve a much better return than this.
A truly great coach would have this team walking SuperLeague this season.'"
" On paper, we have the best squad in SuperLeague." You are deluded if you think that.
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| 3. Nip to the shop and see if you can pick up a job lot of enthusiasm, bottle, aggression and desire. I think costco sell them in packs of 12.
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| Quote: Singing Warrior ""On paper, we have the best squad in SuperLeague." You are deluded if you think that.'"
You're an inbred, six-toed pie-eater, but you don't hear me bleating on about it.
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| Quote: Th'ump "You're an inbred, six-toed pie-eater, but you don't hear me bleating on about it.'"
The inbred six-toed one speaks the truth though doesn't he
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| Quote: Th'ump "You're an inbred, six-toed pie-eater, but you don't hear me bleating on about it.'"
Regardless of any extra digits the poster is right.
On paper the squad is better than a lot , but not in Leeds/Wigan class.
I think the quality of players they loan out to other clubs is frightening compared to Saints.
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| Quote: Baked Bean Boogie "The inbred six-toed one speaks the truth though doesn't he
Whilst best team in super league (on paper) may be open to debate, we are a million times better then that performance today.
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| Quote: Gerry Mander "On paper the squad is better than a lot , but not in Leeds/Wigan class.'"
It's always going to be a subjective debate, but I disagree totally.
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| I think we should stop embarrassing ourselves. This squad is nowhere near 'the best squad in the league'.
We are carrying average players. LMS, Turner, Dawson, walker, Masoe, Wilkin, Wellens, Hohaia. All not good enough and aren't fit to wear the redvee.
This is as bad as it gets. Every big game (apart from Leeds where the youngsters were superb) has been a total shambles and an embarrassment.
Could you imagine Wigan turning up in a big game and performing as woeful as we did today?
Warrington didn't have to do ANYTHING. They are almost as clueless as us. If they were struggling for field position, we'd give them a nice penalty to take them up to our line. Oh and if we have the ball we'll balls it up and just give it to them from an awful offload. Oh and if they move the ball through at least two pairs of hands our wingers will just let them stroll past them.
I'm in pure meltdown atm.
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| I'm done. Brown out. If LMS, Turner or Walker get in any match day squad i will not be attending from now on in. 20 years i've had my season ticket and i dont mind losing but i can't stand losing because of a lack of attitude. Put a fork in me.
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| The squad clearly isn't the best in the league. The pack is awful without Amor for example. However, the quality of the players is irrelevant. What Brown should be judged on is the commitment, the enthusiasm levels, the aggression, the numbers in the tackle, the attacking movements and the defensive structures. The side starts EVERY big game like it's in shock, the kind of reaction people have at the start of zombie movies as they stumble screaming into the mouth of a zombie. There are no defensive structures, it's just shambolic. They picked up at full time on the try scored at the start of the second half. A man down, Warrington broke down our right with a simple pass and a complete misnumbering of the defensive line. In attack rather than the 'oh god what do we do?' reaction of last season and the four or five before that, it's now 'oh god Luke, what do we do?'.
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| Quote: Albion "I think we should stop embarrassing ourselves. This squad is nowhere near 'the best squad in the league'.
We are carrying average players. LMS, Turner, Dawson, walker, Masoe, Wilkin, Wellens, Hohaia. All not good enough and aren't fit to wear the redvee.
This is as bad as it gets. Every big game (apart from Leeds where the youngsters were superb) has been a total shambles and an embarrassment.
Could you imagine Wigan turning up in a big game and performing as woeful as we did today?
Warrington didn't have to do ANYTHING. They are almost as clueless as us. If they were struggling for field position, we'd give them a nice penalty to take them up to our line. Oh and if we have the ball we'll balls it up and just give it to them from an awful offload. Oh and if they move the ball through at least two pairs of hands our wingers will just let them stroll past them.
I'm in pure meltdown atm.'"
I reckon if you transferred those players you mentioned above to Wigan then in the space of an off season you'd see a dramatic improvement in all of them.
This boils down to coaching pure and simple.
We've had players from Crusaders (Dudson & Flower) and London (Sarginson & Clubb) and now you'd never have guessed it. Throw in all the young kids who drink in everything SW expects, all would run their blood to water for him, its that plain to see.
I honestly don't see Brown being the man to take you forward.
The dilema you have is whether to choose NRL or homegrown!
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| Got to be Powell from Cas. With the right money he would come imo.
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| Quote: MattyB "I reckon if you transferred those players you mentioned above to Wigan then in the space of an off season you'd see a dramatic improvement in all of them.
This boils down to coaching pure and simple.
We've had players from Crusaders (Dudson & Flower) and London (Sarginson & Clubb) and now you'd never have guessed it. Throw in all the young kids who drink in everything SW expects, all would run their blood to water for him, its that plain to see.
I honestly don't see Brown being the man to take you forward.
The dilema you have is whether to choose NRL or homegrown!'"
I personally agree with you 100%.
Wane has taken players - like Dudson, Flower, Sarginson, Clubb, who were *alright* players at their previous clubs, but certainly nothing special - and turned them in part of a team that is far superior to the sum of its parts.
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