FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > St. Helens > Financing package wipes out Saints debt
92 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , BackrowSaint
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Yeah, what does it mean? Are we quids in now? Or just oweing money to different people?

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



It basically means the club has raised £6m privately (I'm assuming existing shareholders), and has no bank debt.

£3m of this is convertible loan stock (usually pays a low interest rate [sometimes even no interest at all] with the holder having an option to convert the loan stock into shares to get an equity "upside"icon_wink.gif and £3m is a straight loan, albeit from a private individual.
The cash is to be used to pay the last instalment on the stadium lease and fit it out, plus a bit more for day to day working capital.

Basically, it's incredibly good news and means that we have not had to borrow money externally to fund the stadium, it has all come from "friendly" sources, most probably McManus and his cashed up chums.

McManus is a St Helens RLFC legend.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Sounds like this Coleman dude is the one to be sat near at the new ground. I'll bet he will shout the whole row a round when it's his turn.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Saddened! "Sounds like this Coleman dude is the one to be sat near at the new ground. I'll bet he will shout the whole row a round when it's his turn.'"


His seat will have armrests for sure.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5852
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jun 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



So if we sell James Roby to Wigan for £3million we will be debt free?

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rommel "So if we sell James Roby to Wigan for £3million we will be debt free?'"


icon_lol.gif

Our financing package sounds kinda like lending a tenner from your dad; he has a feeling he might not ever get it all back. icon_biggrin.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member32358
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



So that's six million Saints owe "somebody" plus the inherent losses over the last few years or are they now included in that six million?

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "So that's six million Saints owe "somebody" plus the inherent losses over the last few years or are they now included in that six million?'"


Totally. I wish we didn't own the ground, rented off a football team and were managed by a gorilla.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5852
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Jun 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Saddened! "Totally. I wish we didn't own the ground, rented off a football team and were managed by a gorilla.'"


icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif eusa_clap.gif

Classic

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12189No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2017May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



The Wigan lot won't like this one bit! "cashed up Mega club St.Helens" has a certain ring to it!

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member32358
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Is anyone prepared to answer the question I asked? If the six million wipes out all existing debt (or should I say consolidates it) then it appears to be a very good deal, otherwise it's just borrowing more money (albeit on very good terms)

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach134No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2020Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Is anyone prepared to answer the question I asked? If the six million wipes out all existing debt (or should I say consolidates it) then it appears to be a very good deal, otherwise it's just borrowing more money (albeit on very good terms)'"


Does anyone [iknow[/i the answer to your question? Probably Mr McManus and the people involved - I couldn't see the answer in the same statement that you read

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "So that's six million Saints owe "somebody" plus the inherent losses over the last few years or are they now included in that six million?'"


Why would losses from the last few years not be included in the current position? That makes no sense at all.

It's a £3m loan we owe "somebody" (i.e. McManus and his rich Saints supporting pals), plus another £3m that can be converted into shares.

We have a shiny new stadium all fitted out and no bank debt. The stadium has been financed by the Board and their private contacts.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Is anyone prepared to answer the question I asked? If the six million wipes out all existing debt (or should I say consolidates it) then it appears to be a very good deal, otherwise it's just borrowing more money (albeit on very good terms)'"


The statement explicitly states we have no bank debt, and that more directors loans have been converted to shares. What is your question?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2016Oct 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: FearTheVee "McManus is a St Helens RLFC legend.'"

Damn right. And his cashed up chums aren't so far behind either! They certainly deserve cupholders with their padded seats in the new stadium.

92 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , BackrowSaint
92 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , BackrowSaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.3291015625:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Ground Improvements
REDWHITEANDB
237
39m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
48m
Film game
Boss Hog
5864
Recent
2025 Squad Numbers
Hasbag
22
Recent
Realistic targets for 2025
Faithful One
150
Recent
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
53
Recent
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
13
Recent
New signings
Huddersfield
9
Recent
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
186
Recent
Rumours thread
Dr Dreadnoug
2517
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Ground Improvements
REDWHITEANDB
237
2m
Season pass roll call
Armavinit
38
2m
Film game
Boss Hog
5864
3m
Pre Season - 2025
FC Callum
214
4m
How many games will we win
Wollo-Wollo-
54
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
4m
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
5m
2025 Kit
Marvin Goola
17
5m
2025 Shirt
--[ WW ]--
27
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Hasbag
22
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
13
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M +11,893 80,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R1
18:00
Toulouse
v
Widnes
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
       Championship 2025-R1
15:00
Bradford
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Doncaster
15:00
Oldham
v
York
15:00
Sheffield
v
Halifax
15:00
Barrow
v
Hunslet
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       League One 2025-R1
15:00
Cornwall
v
Workington
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Ground Improvements
REDWHITEANDB
237
39m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
48m
Film game
Boss Hog
5864
Recent
2025 Squad Numbers
Hasbag
22
Recent
Realistic targets for 2025
Faithful One
150
Recent
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
53
Recent
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
13
Recent
New signings
Huddersfield
9
Recent
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
186
Recent
Rumours thread
Dr Dreadnoug
2517
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Ground Improvements
REDWHITEANDB
237
2m
Season pass roll call
Armavinit
38
2m
Film game
Boss Hog
5864
3m
Pre Season - 2025
FC Callum
214
4m
How many games will we win
Wollo-Wollo-
54
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
4m
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
5m
2025 Kit
Marvin Goola
17
5m
2025 Shirt
--[ WW ]--
27
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Hasbag
22
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
13
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!