I agree with Gilly. How many Lance Todd's did Murphy win?

How many other clubs has Longy been succesful with ?

Thats where Murph gets a lot of his support from as well. Look when Murphy did it, and how old he was thats why he is considered the best.

OK. In that case Leroy Rivett was better than Tom Van Vollenhoven.

What a bloody stupid way to try and work out who was a better player.

Murphy > Long

Totally. I doubt Gilly did a video review of archive footage of every Saints scrum half before making his decision. It's an off the cuff statement and a very valid one.

oh dear,

most people on here will of only really watched longy play, and 12 years at that.

murphy its what people have told us, the end of his playing the odd classic from the day.

you wouldnt say either answer was wrong...would ya??

Yes I would.

Only because you were old enough to have seen both. I've seen old footage and the players are all fat, 5 foot tall and really, really slow.

If you put a modern day Greg Inglis against the best team in the world from the time Murphy was playing, do you think they'd even get a finger on him?

If you can get a copy of the 1962 GB tour to Australia.

GBs back line was Round, Boston, Ashton, Fox, Sullivan, Bolton & Murphy.
Huddart, McTigue, Edgar etc in the forwards.

No fat five footers in there.

I accept it's a different game, but class is class. They would have been great players in any era.

Compare that back line to what we sent to the World Cup last year, not one of last year backs would get near to the 1962 side.

If they did he probably wouldn't get up again thats how they played it then!!

As for unfit and slow tell that to Vinty while he was running back to Widnes after training!!!!!

And the strength of that 1962 side meant that likes of Vinty, Stopford, Southward, Davies Carlton etc didn't get in.

in 1962, Sean Long would have been playing prop rather than scrum half.