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| Quote: SaintsFan "And yet elsewhere Brown says he's playing Wheeler and Turner in the halves!
Never take what Brown says too seriously ...'"
Brown made the comment re.McDonnell last Friday and since then has obviously trained with Turner and Wheeler at 6 and 7 and then yesterday said that he will be going with those two.
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| Turner is just utterly useless at 6. Wello is worse than useless there too.
Do we seriously not have anyone in the academy who could do that role? Charnock looked physically up to it 12 months ago when he did fine against Salford in the snow. Could he not play?
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| Quote: Saddened! "Turner is just utterly useless at 6. Wello is worse than useless there too.
Do we seriously not have anyone in the academy who could do that role? Charnock looked physically up to it 12 months ago when he did fine against Salford in the snow. Could he not play?'"
A couple of people on the other forum have said that there are salary cap ramifications to playing some of the younger players. They have said that certain appearances would trigger bonuses that could take us above the cap. Strange but true apparently.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Turner is just utterly useless at 6. Wello is worse than useless there too.
Do we seriously not have anyone in the academy who could do that role? Charnock looked physically up to it 12 months ago when he did fine against Salford in the snow. Could he not play?'"
If Charnock doesnt play I have no idea where we are going to magic up a kicking game
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| someone asked the question maybe on here i can’t remember, does dual reg not work both ways?
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "A couple of people on the other forum have said that there are salary cap ramifications to playing some of the younger players. They have said that certain appearances would trigger bonuses that could take us above the cap. Strange but true apparently.'"
It's over so many games, so I don't think Charnock playing would trigger it. It may be the reason we haven't see Joe Greenwood for a while though?
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "It's over so many games, so I don't think Charnock playing would trigger it. It may be the reason we haven't see Joe Greenwood for a while though?'"
I honestly don't know mate, I'm just going off what a couple of people said on redvee who are normally bang on with stuff. I heard the same rumour re. Savelio a few weeks back too.
If there is no issue with playing Charnock other than him simply not being deemed good enough then it doesn't say much about him as player. Surely in this situation we would be crying out for a natural half-back with a decent kicking game?
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| Quote: Saddened! "Turner is just utterly useless at 6. Wello is worse than useless there too.
Do we seriously not have anyone in the academy who could do that role? Charnock looked physically up to it 12 months ago when he did fine against Salford in the snow. Could he not play?'"
Its a mystery to me why he hasn't been included at all this season.
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| Is he not being looked at as a 13?
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Is he not being looked at as a 13?'"
I don't know, but he's playing hooker for the academy apparently. Surely just being in the first team, with little expectation and no pressure from the club, would be better than not being in the first team? Even if it is in a position they don't seem him playing long term?
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| And that's the problem with the salary cap, it's preventing the club from giving younger players the opportunity to stake a claim in the first team when injuries clearly demand it. A player promoted from the academy should be exempt from the cap in the first season, then 50% of their salary exempt for the duration they are with the club.
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| Quote: The Chief "And that's the problem with the salary cap, it's preventing the club from giving younger players the opportunity to stake a claim in the first team when injuries clearly demand it. A player promoted from the academy should be exempt from the cap in the first season, then 50% of their salary exempt for the duration they are with the club.'"
No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel
(d) A Club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the RSCM to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified amount. In making a decision, the RSCM will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factorsthe Club’s intention to promote junior players who would otherwise be prevented from playing in a Salary Cap Relevant Match,
(iii) player welfare (for example, where a Club would otherwise be prevented from playing a Player in a situation that means that the Club instead selects an injured Player to play or another Player whose Salary Cap Value is low enough for the Club to remain within the Cap but who might not be ready for 1st team duties, and
(iv) other circumstances considered reasonable (by the RSCM, acting reasonably).
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I also posted this on the other forum, but why let facts get in the way of a good moan
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Is he not being looked at as a 13?'"
But he's played a lot at 6 and some at 1, presumably linked to being the modern 3rd pivot.
That means that he's better equipped to play 6 for the firsts than anyone who's not injured.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel
That's very interesting. It seems to hint you can pay your senior players up to the full cap, then bring though as many kids as you like in the year and pay them whatever you like?
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