We need a leader of some sort . Wello is just an arm waver and Roby seems too quiet. Is Walsh a leader? I'd hope so being a proper 7 ..

I hate this overly simplistic view that I keep reading, that conveniently ignores the part where Brown took over a side that finished 10th the previous year and built them into the team you see today.

He also took the team through its teething pains - you can bet that there is a desire in the squad to avoid living through a mid season slump again - that motivation for the players may come as much from the pain of suffering it before as it does from a change of coach. Similar to the old having to lose a final before winning one, perhaps the young and/or inexperienced Hudds players had to slip away from a strong position before knowing what it takes to stay there - this was not a club with a recent culture of anything resembling success.

I'm not saying Brown is the answer, but to suggest he's a dud based on how Hudds are going this year is daft. Indeed - I suspect Anderson will at best replicate Brown's 2010 season of 3rd and CC Final.

That's not to say you can't judge him on a very poor season with Saints - you can IMO - but this comparison with Hudds (a young side on the up) and Saints (an old side on the slide coping with a glut of injuries) is a bit daft I reckon.

One other consideration is that we have been dull as dishwater to watch most of the time for the last 5 or 6 years. Brown's teams ( Hudds & St George ) played rugby which was pleasing to the eye. We have a group of players who don't know how to play "[uThe Saints Way[/u" , and to bring that philosophy back will take time and patience.

To all Saints fans out there [u[size=150=#FF0000TIME AND PATIENCE[/size[/u.

Two more props and a stand off and we should be a decent team, thats whats been missing as we know all this season, so that should be a priority before anything else.

Secondary we need to play as a team with the right attitude this is what has made us the worst saints team for 30 years.

I said early this season clubs will struggle getting proven quality players and we have hit this scenario first, Warrington for instance will lose half a team shortly with players in the 30+ agegroup. Only the Wigoons look healthy with good young players with the help of a good structure.

For Saints, we must find our own development structure to accelerate the like of Percival, Charnock, Swift, Thompson, Yates etc into class players to the standard
requirement needed for success.

We have given time and patience for 5 years plus now.

We've been to grand finals for most of those 5 years.

Valid point but we didn't bring home any silverware did we????

Time and patience is all well and good, but just because the chairman declares we are rebuilding a team does not mean we have to endure the standard of performance put in by Saints on Friday - and that wasn't the first time we have had to endure such dross this season either. The team we field at present achieved third last season. Therefore, we should expect it to be competing towards that end of the table this season too, not making 22 errors in one match and gifting 8 points to the opposition through conceding penalties. Taking fans for granted this season is not the way to invest in next season. We have still had to pay to watch the team this season and so have every right to expect top effort from the team each week.

Yes... in [iyour[/i opinion...



Here we go with that barmy, pathetic, loony argument =#FF0000yet again that because we don't have players of the class of Long, Scully, Newlove, Lyon, KC, Iro, Goulding anymore then we've declined and can't/won't compete... Those players [idon't ****ing well exist[/i in the British game anymore....



In real comparative terms our squad in pure personnel terms is not all that far off being as strong as anybody else's in the league, and not far off being as good as it's been at most other points during the last 15 years. None of the other teams in the league have Longys, Gouldings or Newloves either by the way in case you hadn't noticed...

...and on what single occasion have I ever said that Brown is doing a great job and is the answer? Our personnel is not far off being where it needs to be, but enormous question marks still need to be answered over our coaching. We've not had a really good coach in 5 years now and that's been where our problems have been, not in this perceived "ambition" and "poor recruitment" BS (coaches aside). I'm as concerned as anyone else is over how half-baked we're looking at the moment (although it's still early days in his tenure as yet) - tell me when on any occasion I've said otherwise....

If you bothered to read my post you would see that I was referring to Brown changing the style of play from the crap we have had to put up with for 5 years, back to the SAINTS WAY.


Please keep up!!!!!

You've got a screw loose mate. You just totally lose the plot. No wonder your a laughing stock on other teams forums with crazy comments like we've got the best pack in super league









Anyone with half of brain knows we can never replicate the teams of the likes of longy, Lyon, scully, KC etc but we should have replaced them at the time we the best quality we could at the time.

Who replaced the following players ?

Longy -

Scully -

Graham -

Gidley -

Talau -

The are others but can't be bothered listing