I agree! wonder sometimes if he is just clumsy and does not respond quickly at times. (I'm not saying he may be a genuine nice guy, and signs shirts)

I thought Soliola was outstanding for Saints, especially early doors with some thundering tackles.

The way Saints started so physically reminded me of Leeds in the play-off game at KR in 2007. Leeds lost narrowly that day but battered Saints so much that they were unable to put up much resistance in the GF. Wigan weren't tired, they were just completely out-muscled and out-enthused by the Saints pack, which Soliola played a big part in. I'd have him at Leeds in a heartbeat (sorry Weller).

Soliola's influence is overlooked. He smashes the hell out of people in the early stages, which you can guarantee puts the opposition players on the back foot. We were never bullied by wigan because, amongst other reasons Sia was busy bullying them

For me Soliola is my favourite player, he has been awesome and exciting to watch this season. He might miss the odd tackle in rushing in but he brings the fear factor to the opposition.
Just waiting for him to do a "big boom" tackle on Vomkins.

That's because they weren't tired (or at least no more tired than you would expect people to be after 80 minutes of high intensity RL!). I could see exactly what Simmons was on about. They went from taking the game to Wigan to defending the game from Wigan. That's a different attitude and when they started doing it, Wigan began to roll. Jammer was acutely aware of it, especially in the last 10 when he was like a maniac in defence. We'd drifted from the game plan. We can't afford to do that in the semi. But hopefully finally achieving the win will give all the lads the confidence and the desire to stick with it for the full 80 next time around.

Can we just agree that using 17 players makes it easier than with 16 players.

Iv been saying it since round 3/4

to be fair I have no issue with it in the first 10 games.

Try out new stuff see if it works etc, but at some point you just have to say well we tried it it did not improve us time to try something else.

I've no issue with a back on the bench if we actually use them (impact player)

On topic - Sia is one of my favourite players and he is getting better and better. I can see him being a proper beast of a prop in the future... hopefully at Saints

Could you give me an example of how this works? How was Tom Armstrong going to come into the game on Sunday and make an impact?

Hopefully we're learning how to win the tight games again.

Sadly in Tom's case I don't think he could. I was trying to say if we had a back who could make an impact on the game I'd have no objection to having them on the bench , like Pryce or Eastmond

Exactly. Absolute pointless waste of time having him there rather than another forward.



But even then you are going to break up your halves or just shove a player on the wing. It's so disruptive.

Makes no sense to me. 4 forwards on the bench please Royce.

It seems we are 99.9% agreed on here that Royce should use 17 instead of having a player sat on bench for 80 mins while some are out on their feet.

No arguement there if thats the case.

I'm one of the few people who remain to be 100% convinced about cloughie. The words ordinary shout out at me when I watch him. I am perhaps being a tad unfair as he has not long been back.