That's what happens when you give the public an option.

That about sums it up, how many people especially younger supporters know their local club history? I was not old enough to see Tom play, but I know the club's history and I have read books and watched video of Vollenhoven. The method of voting could have lead to repeat voting, that would be done more by younger supporters than older who would have supported Tom. My suggestion when the idea was first muted was for the statue to be two or three players to reflect the history of the club as well as present.

Do you not accept Billinge Lump that if the same type of voting for say such a TV show from the 60's and the present that it would be the latter that would always win, it says a lot that the vote was so close and the loyalty and knowledge of the older supporters.

I know where you're coming from, but to play devil's advocate . . . .

Vollenhoven played 417 times for Saints, KC has played 504 so far (according to Saints Heritage Society)
Vollenhoven played for 11 seasons, KC has played for 17
Vollenhoven was South African, KC in a St Helens lad
Vollenhoven is all time top try scorer, KC is all time top try scoring forward
Vollenhoven won the league championship 2 times, KC has won it 5 times
Vollenhoven won the challenge cup 2 times, KC has won it 7 times

Now I'm not suggesting Vollenhoven shouldn't have got the statue (he was my vote) but it's not as clear cut as you might at first think.

Great to see jaybs perserverence.

Stop being so defensive.

Well if they cannot be bothered with the extra what, 2 miles, then oh dear me, god help them. Some fans of any given team live 20s even 100s of miles away and make the effort. That's a pitiful viewpoint and one that will matter zilch in terms of Saints long term future.

What the feck are you all doing talking about such random stuff on this thread? It's in the papers today that our new coach is in the country to sign his contract and everyone is talking about attendances, lying directors, geography....

Some of us are easily distracted by others' tery.....obviously me as I bit

But no, I agree. It doesn't on paper look like the best of ideas, but if it turns out to be true, we can only assume that Eamon knows what he is doing....

''Royce [Simmons] is our kicking and catching coach, and we did a lot of work on defusing bombs during the week.''

Now it makes sense.

Well I live 220 miles from my two chosen clubs, West Ham who I have supported since I was 6 and the London Club starting with the first match at Fulham, when my older brother took me as I had not got my driving licence, but not all local club fans are committed or there would be more than just under 8,000 on a sunny Friday evening for a Salford Red game.