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| I posted this on redvee last night following some things posted there and i think it works as a response to some of the posts/opinions here including Chair's about a slight bias toward certain generations.
Quote: "I think the danger we have with players being added or omitted is that we end up with the majority of them being from a) the sixties/early-mid 70's and b) the late 90's/ early 00's. Of course this is understandable as these periods were probably our most successful, but lets not forget the periods in between when despite a lack of dominance we still managed to compete and win trophies, and there are players of that period that deserve to be held in equally high esteem be it as captains of the club, high points scorers, or players who played the majority if not all of their career at the club etc.
The 'Legend' status is undoubtably subjective at the best of times and whilst players like Newlove brought something special to the sides they played in i'd suggest their status as 'fans favourites' doesn't necessarily afford them Legendary status at the club. '"
I think it is much easier for us to look back at players like Newlove who played as part of a succesful team and perhaps put a gloss on our memories of them as a result of the team's achievements during their tenure, much in the same way that the youngest generation of Saints fans are doing with Jamie Lyon right now. These players were undoubtedly terrific, stand-out players in their sides who gave a great service to the red vee during but to include them in such lists in my opinion does a disservice to players like Alan Hunte, Anthony Sullivan, and Paul Loughlin who whilst not costing world record fees or being media darlings contributed no less (and often more in terms of points, tries and appearances and more) to the Saints' cause.
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| Quote: St Ty "I think it is much easier for us to look back at players like Newlove who played as part of a succesful team and perhaps put a gloss on our memories of them as a result of the team's achievements during their tenure, much in the same way that the youngest generation of Saints fans are doing with Jamie Lyon right now. These players were undoubtedly terrific, stand-out players in their sides who gave a great service to the red vee during but to include them in such lists in my opinion does a disservice to players like Alan Hunte, Anthony Sullivan, and Paul Loughlin who whilst not costing world record fees or being media darlings contributed no less (and often more in terms of points, tries and appearances and more) to the Saints' cause.'"
That's a fair comment, however Sullivan wouldn't even be in consideration were it not for Newlove playing on the inside of him.
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| Quote: McClennan "That's a fair comment, however Sullivan wouldn't even be in consideration were it not for Newlove playing on the inside of him.'"
I know Mc i just had to throw someone else in there from the list of top points scorers i was looking at at the time
Although that said i've just seen that he was scoring consistantly in the 20+ try bracket for two seasons prior to Newlove's arrival.
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| Quote: Div "Les Jones might have made a lot of appearances but he wasn't a legend for me.'"
For me people are looking too closely at how 'great' a player was...
But to me the TIFO is about mroe than that.
It is about the history, heritage and traditions of the club - anf the memories of the fans on the back of them.
For example, the reason I suggested a heavy contingent of St. Helens born players is because we can be proud of some of the players we produced throughout time.
Not only this, but so called 'good club players' on there were Characters in there own right. Haggy was wholehearted and proud to play for his hometown club. He was a humble but tough player who would always give 110%. I would rather have one or two players like this than a so called superstar who had a fleeting time at the club.
Look at the bigger picture.
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| Get this on teh banner
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| Quote: Supreme Sydney2002 "Get this on teh banner
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The bloke stood next to Jamie Lyon looks like someone out of 'Dawn of the Dead', who is it????
O/T You making an appearance this Friday Syddley? These part-timers do my head in!
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| Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "For me people are looking too closely at how 'great' a player was...
But to me the TIFO is about mroe than that.
It is about the history, heritage and traditions of the club - anf the memories of the fans on the back of them.
For example, the reason I suggested a heavy contingent of St. Helens born players is because we can be proud of some of the players we produced throughout time.
Not only this, but so called 'good club players' on there were Characters in there own right. Haggy was wholehearted and proud to play for his hometown club. He was a humble but tough player who would always give 110%. I would rather have one or two players like this than a so called superstar who had a fleeting time at the club.
Look at the bigger picture.'"
Good points. Nothing wrong with fans favourites or players who were just popular or big characters.
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| Quote: Div "That isn't a fair comparison.'"
why not? fans favourite, iconic character in the clubs history, rubbish player. The only difference being that Matautia actually won medals.
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Thanks to Sadfish again
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| Great that Ski, well done.
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Thanks to Sadfish again'"What! Briers but no Newlove
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| Quote: Ski "Quotes sent for'"
Qualiteh.
Good work all, looks class.
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