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| Very good game on Saturday back and forth, so happy we won to make history but you played very well any other day would have won it.
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| One thing to bare in mind is that although Leeds have won 3 GF on the bounce this is the first time they have actually won the league.
They have also failed to do anything in the challenge cup in each of the last 4 years.
Compare that to Saints who won 3 challenge cups on the bounce. Won the league 3 times and have made 4 grand finals winning 1.
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| Leeds have pulled off the greatest achievement in SL by winning three on the bounce. It's a three-way split for the greatest SL club - if you aren't going to include things like CC victories and such.
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| It's difficult to say. BUt the current leeds team has a tremendous record of grand final success.
played in 5 of the last 6 grand finals
won 4 from 5
3 on the trot.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "One thing to bare in mind is that although Leeds have won 3 GF on the bounce this is the first time they have actually won the league.
They have also failed to do anything in the challenge cup in each of the last 4 years.
Compare that to Saints who won 3 challenge cups on the bounce. Won the league 3 times and have made 4 grand finals winning 1.'"
2004!!!!
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| As we see from the recent fortunes of great teams like Saints, Wigan and Bradford you've got to live for now, for next season. The past is exactly that. On Saturday Leeds completed a great achievement but will be measured by what they do next year.
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| This is like those debates on "Are Man United the Greatest Team of the Premiership era".....cue the Arsenal fans saying no cos in 2003/04 we didn't lose a game, so Arsenal are the greatest.
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| Quote: McClennan "Not really. We played had incredible defence that year and with Jamie Lyon on the ouside we were capable of winning every game. Our losses that year were by a grand total of ten points (16-19 at Hudds, 26-27 v Hull, 18-20 at Bulls and 22-26 at Catalans).'"
If you are looking at consistency over an individual season then it would have to be your guys team of 06. Irrespective of who you play in the finals and other teams having bad seasons, as a previous poster has stated, you have to beat what is in front of you and St Helens did that playing fast flowing rugby with players at their prime.
The salary cap system is now kicking in and it could be debated whether the standard has improved or declined going on how many games we are losing season on season.
Either way both were/are great sides
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| Leeds for me ain't even the best team in Yarkshire, Bradford are in superleague
3 in a row is amazing but to say they are the best ever is laughable
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| Whether they're the greatest 17 may be doubted, but they've won 3 GFs on the bounce which no one else has done. They won them when they've been top dogs and they've won them as underdogs. Fair bloody play, I reckon.
The game will ebb and flow and in a few years there'll be another team on top claiming that they're, in some way, should be counted as the greatest SL team - and Leeds, Saints and Bradford fans will probably all dismiss them as [inew money[/i.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "
The game will ebb and flow and in a few years there'll be another team on top claiming that they're, in some way, should be counted as the greatest SL team - and Leeds, Saints and Bradford fans will probably all dismiss them as [inew money[/i.'"
They'll need to do something unique to claim it though.
sainst were the first team to win super league back to back
bradford were the first team to win grand final and cc double
leeds are the first team to win 3 grand finals on the trot
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| Quote: ifkinghatesaints "leeds are the first team to win 3 grand finals on the trot'" And they've done it well, imo. Claim whatever acolades you want, other teams will always have speccies who will try and make light of them, but so what!?
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "And they've done it well, imo. Claim whatever acolades you want, other teams will always have speccies who will try and make light of them, but so what!?'"
It's just such a difficult thing to judge, there are no set markers.
But saints, bradford and leeds have all achieved unique things in the super league era which mark them as great teams (of the past, in bradfords case).
It appears wigan are the ones lagging desperatly behing with their solitary super league title. A poor effort.
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| Leeds' three triumphs is a unique achievement and they deserve credit for this consistency. It is no mean effort to back up three times because of the immense staying power that is needed.
I would suggest that the Saints side that defeated Brisbane was the best SL team I have seen for flair, and sheer quality on paper:
Sculthorpe, Newlove, Iro, Fairleigh, Long & Cunningham at their pomp, Sullivan and the guile of Martyn.
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