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How has this turned into a warrington Saints debate? I don't care if others have gone out and signed a debatably better player than the one we already have (for twice the price) - if our 1-25 is stronger than last year than were in good stead to challenge - as we did in great adversity last year, and have seemingly done this year (without a real halfback for the majority). I think another signing and well achieve that.

Finances may be "boring" but money is the lifeblood of sport and without it there won't be a club to look back on in 5 years time.

We currently need 13000 total attendance from the 4 home games to see another rise in total attendance (and yes, that still represents a slight decrease in average attendance - but if the numbers though the door are up that's only a good thing) - so hopefully the core business can continue to expand as other operations become more profitable, and we can see a shift to the side operations supplementing the core business rather than the other way around.

All in all it's great work - and it's not even like the club have been shortchanging the playing side (despite what some on here would say) to achieve a break even with transfer fees paid is a feat I can only applaud.

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Quote: Saddened! "Last years GF was an astonishing achievement by a coach and group of players that had no right to happen. It was based on character, determination and a one in a million combination of events that led to the backs against the wall mentality.'"


It's called sport. Anything can happen. Saints won a trophy, much to your disgust and disappointment (however much you try and hide it). Get over it.

Quote: Saddened! "Warrington have just gone through a similar phase. They won a few cups with a decent and upcoming squad. Instead of kicking on and investing they tried to rely on youth and did it on the cheap for a while. They spotted that and have put it right. With Lineham, Gidley, Sandow coming in they will be vastly improved. Exactly the same pattern we had when McManus realised it wasn't going to be sustainable winning nothing. We win a GF and bang, the quality of recruitment drops again, plummeting like a stone. Hopefully this time we'll only have one iffy season and we'll replace Walsh and Burns with real quality.'"


You seem to have missed out one key issue in everything you have said about Saints. It's called RETENTION. Look at the money that has been spent on players like Makinson, Swift, Percival, Lomax, Walmsley, Greenwood and Thompson. Every single one has talent and keeping hold of them by SPENDING MONEY on new and improved contracts is not 'doing it on the cheap'. All you ever focus on is recruitment.

Your last sentence about Walsh and Burns is so ridiculous it isn't even worthy of debate.

Edit: I forgot to mention Roby!! Just look at the money that the club splashed on him. He is the best player by a country mile in SL, and will be next season too.

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Quote: Saddened! "I'd put Lineham a country mile above either of our wingers, as much as I love Tommy. I think his size and pace make him a pretty unique weapon and I think he could be the next 'NRL bound' English star over the next couple of years at Warrington.
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Ha. I think you have just confirmed to me that you know f*** all about RL. You think that Lineham is better than Tommy because he's a bit bigger. icon_lol.gif

Also, I would bet that Makinson is quicker than Lineham.

Lineham does not come anywhere near Tommy when it comes to pure skill and class.

Back on topic, well done EM and the board. They have put their hands in their pockets over a very long period of time and they are now starting to reap the rewards. It is greatly appreciated by 99.9% of Saints fans. We could make a profit of £10 million and win every piece of silverware going and Sad Act (a.k.a. Saddened) would find something negative to say.

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Jesus you lot are all so boring and responsible. I bet you all budget and plan for rainy days and organise your sock drawer.

All I want is an exciting signing, is that too much to ask for?

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Quote: Saddened! "Jesus you lot are all so boring and responsible. I bet you all budget and plan for rainy days and organise your sock drawer.

All I want is an exciting signing, is that too much to ask for?'"


Is watching Makinson, Percival, Walmsley etc flourishing and retained at Saints not more exciting than any signing we could make?

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Lineham and Turner, a mouth watering combination.

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A good set of results for the Saints club.

I see Saddened is bemoaning that we won the league and GF last year and we are not reaching the dizzy heights of Warrington this year in some also ran place as opposed to our current pityful 2nd position.

What a shame we have won so much when we could be the never never boys of SL.

It's good to having him on igggy, but when he bombs the page with so many quotes it's hard even for me to ignore his warblings.

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The money spent on the youth development at Saints represents a considerable part of the club's yearly expenditure. It is a massive investment.

Or we could ignore that and just spend money on an 'exciting' player.

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We're not yet actually at break even though are we? If you read the article by McManus then he says we are at gross break even and not net break even. We're still running a net loss even if it is smaller than previously. Hopefully we will soon be on a net break even. That will be a landmark day IMO.

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Rugby League doesn't use nets. You're thinking about football.

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I'd like to see a massive marketing drive next season by the club as the 5 year season ticket comes to an end. I'd like to see more marketing in Liverpool to be honest. Did they once do a Saints in the City drive?

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Quote: Saddened! "Jesus you lot are all so boring and responsible. I bet you all budget and plan for rainy days and organise your sock drawer.

All I want is an exciting signing, is that too much to ask for?'"


So signing Lineham for Saints would have give you a semi?

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Quote: Saddened! "

All I want is an exciting signing, is that too much to ask for?'"


It depends what gets you going, I suppose: wham, bam, thank you Mam doesn't do it for me, I must say.

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Quote: Judder Man "Seems as though we have broke even for 2014 and heading into the black with profits forecasted for 2015. Turnover seems very impressive from £5 million to £7 million, well done McManus + Co in delivering the objectives and projections.
If the players can deliver this year then the fans will support onwards and upwards.'"


The accounts are not yet filed yet but it appears that the Club broke even-ish at a gross profit level but made a reduced loss at operating and net profits. I think the big increase in turnover is largely down to sensibly taking the booze and food in house.

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Quote: Saddened! "All I want is an exciting signing, is that too much to ask for?'"


Are you Maurice Lindsay circa 1992?

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