I think whilst at halfback we have struggled to get it right in terms of retention. Backs and Forwards wise we are really blessed to have some players now pushing experienced heads down the pecking order.

Is it just by chance that Since Richards and Thompson came in, the defense has solidified. I think they are there for a reason, they are there on merit.

The only person ever singing your tune is you

He is more of a classic centre which is brilliant. Footwork, pace and skill not to mention a pretty decent goal kicker. I'm glad Saints have allowed him to develop physically and not tried to pile the muscle on him , too often these days we end up with bulked up essentially second rows out in the centre's. If he keeps on developing I can see him gaining international recognition pretty soon.

I told you about him three years ago!!

Welll done for that mate. Do you want freedom of St.Helens for that?

Brown has done a terrific job with Percy and fully proves he was right to take Percy out the team last year as his form was slipping a little and was missing tackles. Brown explained he wasn't being dropped but he was being developed and few month out the first grade was needed. He wasn't strong enough at that time and was losing a little confidence.

Well done browny

My concern with Percy is that he's a confidence player and doesn't back himself enough. When he makes the half break, his first instinct is to look for the pass, I'd like to see him pinning his ears back and going for it and then looking to pass.

He's certainly got a lot of potential

Well done Rogues. Get on to McManus, he'll sort you out with a finders fee for that.

I think Percival looks fab. He's worked hard this season and has developed well. I don't know what this thing is about his defence being poor. I just don't see that in him at all. He puts himself about and defends like a trojan. His peak performance was at Wigan with that try saving 'bear hug' tackle to win us the game. I'm stunned he hasn't been shortlisted as young player of the year this year since he isn't yet 21.

He's defended well this year but last year he was missing far to many and he stuck out like a sore thumb that teams was targeting him.

He was took out and he's worked on his game and he's come back a much better player. Sometimes we expect to much from the kids and they need protecting.

I agree, he should have been nominated in the young player of the year.

I don't really care what he was like last year as it's this year now! He's been great this season. Given that he's not the biggest of players he never shirks his defensive duties, sometimes goes out of his way to make a tackle and is very effective. He is looking very promising and I hope he just keeps on getting better.

Let's just dismiss everything that is in past then. I'd have thought it's a good idea to look at young players from last year to present day as it shows if they are making progress.

Sounds very much like your reluctant to give Brown any credit. He should have done what Royce did to Gaskell and just kept playing him and totally ruined him.

Now you've gone and done it!!!

Lock it quick

Yesterday I watched a video of the 2011 Championship Semi-final when we beat Wigan at the Stobart Stadium Widnes and Gaskell had a great game and looked all the world like a future international.

The problem is when using a kyung lad in the halves as first choice avd he is partnering another young lad and thinks don't go to plan it then puts to much pressure on them and they need taking out before they get totally shot of all confidence.

If he had been taken out at the time his form was slipping and explained that he's not been dropped etc but that didn't happen.

Same thing happened at hull FC with Cooke and Horne and everyone said they be the hull halves for 10 years.