The guy who thinks Clough is the answer is having a laugh! A journeyman at best. Howarth should never get near a Saints team fair enough. Brown quite clearly does not know what he is doing. The fact that Hudds have quite clearly improved since he has left is proof of that. We look like we are not coached and never have been, no structure, no set moves. Forwards powder puff, how the fairy Laffranchi gets another year is beyond me. No stomach for a fight. LMS is an embarrassment. The abysmal Potter? He got us to 2 grand finals with less pace than we have now. The second best scoring team in the league with him. .Are we 9th now or 10th with points scored? Also 2nd or 3rd best defence. Again we are 8th or worse in that respect. Doesn't look.so bad now? Simmons was sacked for less than this. Rush looks a coaching mastermind compared to this clown. Out of his depth totally. That was the worst saints display I have ever seen tonight. Utterly devoid of ideas. Brown quite simply has to go.

Paul Clough was ill last night as in sic?

If you believe all the rumours about re-signings, currently our squad for next year is pretty much the same

Walsh and Masoe in,
Perry, Puletua and Meli out.

Not a chance we will be anywhere near the trophies for years to come.

The squad needs smashing up - everyone who is out on contract needs to go.

It can't be long until the NRL comes sniffing for Roby, Lomax and Walmsley and then we will be screwed.

One of the above is not far from going mate.

I'll await the thousand pms I'll get from this post but stuff it i don't care anymore if anything gets out.

My guess would be Robes, given that Jammer has been buzzing in his ear about going over there.

Robes going nowhere. One man club IMO.

I'd say Walmsley. I know the rumours of Lomax to Wigan have been denied, but it won't be long before a Wigan or a Warrington come in for him and why would he want to stay here?

What I witnessed last night was an absolute shambles and I am so glad somebody has highlighted the fact that our biggest problem is NB comstantly changing the team before and during games. There is no more excuses of 'key players' being out injured or NB still settling in, it is clearly evident our biggest problem is we never have no fluidity in our play (attack more than defence) due to his constant tinkering. As far as I'm concerned its now damage limitation with our season, so what I'd like to see is our promising youngsters get a solid run in the team to at least give them good experience for next season and beyond. We have ageing players who under perform each week, and players on loan who are blocking the younger lads progression. At the end of the day it can't get any worse than this season has been so far and although they might occasionally struggle we at least know they want to play for the club and will give their all. If I had the power this is roughly what I'd go with now till the end of the season depending on injuries etc.....
Lomax
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson

Wheeler/Hohaia
Yates/Charnock

Puletua
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
Hohaia (if Wheeler was fit)
Greenwood
Thompson
Jones/Walker

I would love to see what other people make of this team and how they think they would actually go!

We could put the academy out there and it will not change. There is a route and branch issue at the club with the playing staff. The players got Royce sacked. The players show lack of drive and professionalism. The players need a massive clear out. We could all name players who may do ok with better players around them.

Clough being one of them, however the poison looks to have spread and it needs cutting out.

I'd seriously only have a few untouchables.

Lomax
Turner
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu


That's it for me. They are decent quality and they are professionals who show drive. The rest should be all up for chopping. I know this exposes peoples personal favourites, like Makinson, but it also includes my own like Walker and Percival.

To go certainly: Wellens, Meli, Ade, LMS, Laffranchi, Perry, TP, Howarth, Wilkin, Clough, Flanagan,
The rest should be open for discussion but even Percival, Walker, Makinson, Jones should all be considered as under threat.

Brown and the entire coaching staff should also be under consideration as they have performed worse than Rush. Whilst Rush may have had run in's with certain players and was not the most entertaining coach he can drill a side. If a part time stand in can do that, then Brown should be able to at least do that. But also KC has to be brought into this, we can't maintain this attitude of oh they were a great servant, is there a job for them on the coaching staff.

We need to be rebuilt. I'm happy to see if Brown can do this but his lack of awareness of what the fans and club are seeing on the field is scary.

From an outsider looking in it sounds to me as if McManus has had far too much influence on recruitment and retention over the last few years and now you're resorting to signing our cast-offs.

I've tried to be more positive. Thinking, we just needed time for Brown's idea's to settle in and for players to come back from injury. But Positive thinking will only get you so far.

Brown's comments show that he realizes that the players where poor. But nothing from him about his team selection being poor.

It's fine to say I was not expecting us to be that poor in game 4 or 5. It's nearly the end of the year and he needs to man up and say, I've made some bad choices and this is what I'm going to do to modify my ways.

In fact Pete, you have been right on most things, if I was Eamon I'd be considering offering you a job if Brown can't handle it.