It still doesn't fit with him captaining England. Perhaps such family connections have helped regarding the club keeping faith through his injury problems.

Frodsham is somewhat of a great white hope, allegedly excellent potential which we've failed to see due to his injuries over the last two seasons. Time is running out for him to make the step up, but I think the speccies have gone past the stage of listening to hype and letting youngsters make the step up gradually.

I do think a dual contract is a must for him, though. We need to know he's got more up his sleeve than being a decent reserve player.

Just mind these words don't come back to haunt you

So, you are basing this opinion on third-hand information, and also judging his 'bottle' as a player on third hand information concluded when he was essentially still a child?

I'm basing it on three peoples opinions.

One who coached him,
One who played with him,
And, one who played against him.

All Saints supporters by the way.

But I must admit I thought he was older than he is.

Time will tell.

Hmmm, what does that tell you?



So info from jealous third parties who Saints didn't sign, OK then.

Anyone writing off a young prop who isn't even 21 yet and has captained England needs to get a bit of perspective (not just you Rogues, there are some ridiculous comments made about Frodsham on here by many Saints fans).

I'm glad to hear he's bulking up. He's always been a lad with a big frame but he's looked a bit gangly for a prop when I've seen him. With a bit more timber on the frame we should get an idea of what he is really capable of.

As the Offside Monkey has stated, a season on a dual contract would do him the world of good.

If he has put a bit of wood on, than I can imagine there's a fair bit of him these days. I'm sure he'll make a better door than a window.

While we're on the topic of young forwards, I watched back one of the warrington games (away) from this year and Paul Clough showed more than one absolutely lovely bits of ball handling. It came up a couple of other times in the season (inside ball for Wello's try against Cas, for example).
This was rumoured to be one of his strengths when he was a reserve player, its nice to see them coming to the fore.

At the same level Scott Moore was one of the greatest talents around. Time will tell etc.

Rogues Gallery.

Please can you tell me the names of these people you know at St Pats. I coach there and was doing when Gareth Frodsham regularly tore us apart so it will be interesting to see who has this opinion of him at St Pats. I remember one time him destroying our pack by himself. WIgan scouts were watching this day and tried to sign him but his first and only love was St Helens so Wigan had no chance.

Thanks

They weren't from St. Pats or St. Judes, one was involved in his coaching at Saints.

Was it Frank Bough?

Ok, you mention lads who have played against him. Again, names please, would like to mention it to them.

Thanks

What is your name?

Gareth?

I played against both Frodsham and Cooper a couple of years ago in an A team game, and on the day Cooper was far superior and when I watched them at that level always seemed far superior to Frodsham, out of interest what has happened to Cooper?