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Quote: Saddened! "Go easy with the expansion unless there is real money behind it. Catalans are still dogged with rumours about their financial strength and it's only 12 months since there were rumours of them going out of business.

The salary cap ammendments are just the RFL bowing to Wigan's pressure. Wigan have always and still are anti-cap, because they know it's easier to win trophies if you spend more than anyone else is willing to. A level playing field isn't how they want things to be. The ammendments are poorly thought out and will not necessarily be spent on English players.'"


Saints have been spending more than Wigan for the last three or four years due to the ten year rule.

Quote: Saddened! "Another thing I don't understand about these cap rules are what it means if the elite players list changes. Lets imagine all the Elite level Wigan players suddenly play poorly and are left off the list. What happens then when Wigan are unable to comply with the cap rules? Do they get a exemption due to 'existing contracts' like they always used to get or do the exemptions last for the length of the player's contract?'"


It will be done on season by season basis, so if there are no players in the Elite or Knights squad next year (2012) the club will lose £100K of their allowance for the next (2013) season, just as they would if their 10 year player retires and they don't have another to take his place.

There will always be players coming off contract at the end of a year.Fielden, Tommy L and Finch at the end of 2012.

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Quote: Saddened! "Go easy with the expansion unless there is real money behind it. Catalans are still dogged with rumours about their financial strength and it's only 12 months since there were rumours of them going out of business.

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Where did you hear this? They are one of the most well supported clubs in the league, have have just build a new stand and undoubtedly spend to the cap limit judging by their squad. I would be very surprised if they are struggling to be honest.

I have been saying for a while now that I believe the next expansion should be in the south of France, all the signs are pointing to it. Catalans should be the blueprint for it, and the attendance for the France-England game clearly shows that their is a market for it. A long term plan should be put in place in order to eventually create a French Super League.

Sadly the RFL seem far too inept to bring that to reality, despite how much it would improve the international game.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It certainly is, but sadly the majority of fans (at all clubs) can't or won't see it, they are far too club centric.

After my brother in laws funeral a few years ago I got into a discussion with some fans about International RL and asked them which would they rather have, their team win the double or England/Gb win the RL World Cup? Everyone of them chose the former.

A friend of mine (Wigan fan) was having a go at the half empty Wembley Stadium for the double header. When I asked him if he had been, the answer was no as he'd been at Anfield watching the 0 - 0 draw with Swansea.

Somehow we need to change this mentality.'"


There are many reasons why our international game isn't as widely popular as RU, not least because of the amount of countries that compete and do so on a similar, or should I say a more competitive level, than play international RL.

Take the recent RU world cup for example, there were several teams very capable of reaching and/or winning the final with several others offering challenging games in the earlier rounds. The home nations + france and italy compete annually in a very competitive six nations tournament and then there are the various friendlies and tours played each season. We get a mid-season friendly and either the four nations or the world cup at the end of the season, both of which ourselves, the Kiwis and Australians don't even need to go through qualification for.

In addition is the fact that we have had to switch from supporting Great Britain (& Ireland) then England, and back, and then back again from tournament to tournament.

Then you have the fact that the game has for all intents and purposes been taken over by Sky and has therefore fell largely off the radar for casual terrestrial viewers, even with the odd international game being covered by the BBC and its mediocre coverage of the club game.

The club over country mentality is a sad but unsurprising consequence, not aided by the poor performances of the national teams that had reached a point where many fans have expected to be beaten by both Aus and NZ.

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Quote: Tony Stark "Then you have the fact that the game has for all intents and purposes been taken over by Sky and has therefore fell largely off the radar for casual terrestrial viewers, even with the odd international game being covered by the BBC and its mediocre coverage of the club game. '"

I think this is a big issue. I read somewhere yesterday that 1.2 million watched the England -v- Australia game on the BBC; 620,000 watched the England -v- NZ game the following week. What a lot of viewers were lost by the game showing on Sky.

But, and I know it's a great big massive but, if we beat the Aussies on Saturday then it may be that the BBC will be more interested in showing our games in the future and will compete more enthusiastically for the rights to do so?

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Seems I was right about the real reasons for the cap increase.

rlWigan sign NRL player sacked for defecating in hotelrl

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Quote: Saddened! "Seems I was right about the real reasons for the cap increase.

rlWigan sign NRL player sacked for defecating in hotelrl'"

Give over, they'll be paying that guy in washers.

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Quote: Saddened! "Seems I was right about the real reasons for the cap increase.

rlWigan sign NRL player sacked for defecating in hotelrl'"

Well, I guess he's about the level of class for Wigan anyway! icon_lol.gif

No surprise that they are recruiting an antipodean. For all that Rogues boasts about their u20s team winning grand finals, they clearly can't produce a centre.

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SP, he's easier to read than a Janet & John book. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan "Well, I guess he's about the level of class for Wigan anyway!
As you obviously "follow" my posts you will know that I have been bemoaning the lack of decent centres in our game for a while. I know Wigan have been looking for ages to try and find one or two. I have never thought that Goulding or Marsh were the answers in that position although they can do a decent job. (Both will get their chance to see if they are up to it this coming season, but I expect it to be their last)

England for instance have had to go overseas to fill one of those positions (Jack Reed). George Carmont at 33 again made the dream team this year.

It's a position we have struggled with since Senior and Gleeson moved on.

Who was the last decent centre Saints produced?
It's an English RL problem position.

Regarding Gelling, he was a 19 year old lad who made a stupid mistake, and rightly paid for it by being sacked. I wonder why Saints didn't do it with Long? (you have read his book I presume)

If Wire can sign the dog molester then I'm sure a bit of cr@p can be forgiven icon_biggrin.gif
Gelling may turn out to be another Kevin Iro icon_razz.gifRAY: ,
or then again he may be a Paul Koloi icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "As you obviously "follow" my posts you will know that I have been bemoaning the lack of decent centres in our game for a while. I know Wigan have been looking for ages to try and find one or two. I have never thought that Goulding or Marsh were the answers in that position although they can do a decent job. (Both will get their chance to see if they are up to it this coming season, but I expect it to be their last)

England for instance have had to go overseas to fill one of those positions (Jack Reed). George Carmont at 33 again made the dream team this year.

It's a position we have struggled with since Senior and Gleeson moved on.

Who was the last decent centre Saints produced?
It's an English RL problem position.

Regarding Gelling, he was a 19 year old lad who made a stupid mistake, and rightly paid for it by being sacked. I wonder why Saints didn't do it with Long? (you have read his book I presume)

If Wire can sign the dog molester then I'm sure a bit of cr@p can be forgiven
From reading the NZ Warriors forums it seems he is not a viable option as a centre but will end up as a second row forward?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "As you obviously "follow" my posts you will know that I have been bemoaning the lack of decent centres in our game for a while. I know Wigan have been looking for ages to try and find one or two. I have never thought that Goulding or Marsh were the answers in that position although they can do a decent job. (Both will get their chance to see if they are up to it this coming season, but I expect it to be their last)

England for instance have had to go overseas to fill one of those positions (Jack Reed). George Carmont at 33 again made the dream team this year.

It's a position we have struggled with since Senior and Gleeson moved on.

Who was the last decent centre Saints produced?
It's an English RL problem position.

Regarding Gelling, he was a 19 year old lad who made a stupid mistake, and rightly paid for it by being sacked. I wonder why Saints didn't do it with Long? (you have read his book I presume)

If Wire can sign the dog molester then I'm sure a bit of cr@p can be forgiven I'm pretty sure I remeber you suggesting Goulding should make the England squad last year, since he was reliable and could cover centre and wing. Dissapointed Charnely isn't going to get the gig in the centre.
When he plays, Wheeler is a cracking centre, we also have Tommy Mak who looks very promising. Before that? Loughlin, Hunte, Connolly?

The incident is nothing to worry about, worse things happen at sea. However, the fact he was released over it suggests he's not the next kevin iro, though.

I'd suggest we've got a better crop now than the last decade. Whilst their not Newlove and Connoly, we have the likes of Yeaman, Shenton, Atkins, Bridge and promising youngsters like Rhys Evans, Tommy Makinson, the young lad at leeds who's name I can't think of and Joe Arundle. A few years back, I bet 75% of 1st choice SL centres were foriegn, I'd suggest its a lot better now.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm pretty sure I remeber you suggesting Goulding should make the England squad last year, since he was reliable and could cover centre and wing. Dissapointed Charnely isn't going to get the gig in the centre.
When he plays, Wheeler is a cracking centre, we also have Tommy Mak who looks very promising. Before that? Loughlin, Hunte, Connolly?

The incident is nothing to worry about, worse things happen at sea. However, the fact he was released over it suggests he's not the next kevin iro, though.

I'd suggest we've got a better crop now than the last decade. Whilst their not Newlove and Connoly, we have the likes of Yeaman, Shenton, Atkins, Bridge and promising youngsters like Rhys Evans, Tommy Makinson, the young lad at leeds who's name I can't think of and Joe Arundle. A few years back, I bet 75% of 1st choice SL centres were foriegn, I'd suggest its a lot better now.'"


I did indeed, but the words were reliable and as cover. I don't think he is good enough as a centre and neither is Marsh although I believe both will be given an opportunity (probably their last) this coming season.
Loughlin, Hunte and Connolly were almost twenty years ago, and in reality only Connolly was top drawer.

In the future I do like the looks of Rhys Evans and Callum Watkins. There's also a very good young prospect at Saints named Mark Percival, but that's a long way away. As I said it's been a problem position in the game for a while. Like you I would Charnley a run there at Wigan (I believe he has just signed a new extended/better deal) which would allow us to give Russell and King a game or two.

Anyway I'll be there on Saturday cheering whoever has the England shirt on.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "
Loughlin,
'"
Loughlin's pomp was before my time as a speccy, but I'm led to belive he was the best centre in britain and was subject to numerous bids to sign him by Wigan.
[sizeIt was tongue in cheek when I mentioned them, given how long ago it was.[/size

Some one on here updated us about some start performances by Percevil last season.

Hopefully, this season, Wheeler will get a decent run of it.
Are there still rumours of him moving to Wigan?

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Quote: Offside Monkey "Loughlin's pomp was before my time as a speccy, but I'm led to belive he was the best centre in britain and was subject to numerous bids to sign him by Wigan.
[sizeIt was tongue in cheek when I mentioned them, given how long ago it was.[/size

Some one on here updated us about some start performances by Percevil last season.

Hopefully, this season, Wheeler will get a decent run of it.
Are there still rumours of him moving to Wigan?'"


Here's what I was told. Wigan tried to sign Wheeler in 2009, ready for the 2010 season. They had offered Carmont a one year deal. Saints offered Carmont a two year deal, which Wigan subsequently matched and he stayed at Wigan. Wheeler also got a very increase on his Saints salary and stayed there.

I haven't heard anything about Wheeler coming to Wigan this off season apart from the message board rumours.

Whilst we're talking about young players to keep a look out for.
George Williams and Ryan Hampshire look to be a potential great half back pairing at Wigan. Both were in the undefeated U16 Wigan side this year and starred in the thrashing of France by England at Odsal.

Stevie Ward at Leeds a 17 year old with loads of ability, can play 6 or 13, and his second row partner Jordan Baldinson.

Savellio and Percival at Saints look outstanding prospects as does Mike Learmonth at Warrington(they stole him from Leeds icon_wink.gif )

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So this is how we spend our money.

Great news. What say you Saddo? icon_biggrin.gif
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So this is how we spend our money.

Great news. What say you Saddo? icon_biggrin.gif
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CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH 28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
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Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 28 761 341 420 42
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 27 655 469 186 30
Widnes 26 551 475 76 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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