Although I confess to finding Northampton Saint's reply to you funny - because it was! - I do agree with you. Our players are not generally of a higher natural standard or talent or whatever than yours per se, although some of them are just as some of yours are better than ours. However, your team is playing like a team and playing like a team that actually wants to play. My team looks like it wants to go and play charity golf instead.

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Finch
Leuluai
Mossop
Roby
Puletua
Hock
Soliola
O'Loughlin

Bench

McIlorum
Wilkin
Lima
Prescott

I make that Wigan 13-4 Saints. Thats a honest assesment without bias.

Form is temporary, class is permanent, you obsessed nurk. Give our squad the kind of organisation, tactics and coaching your lot have had the last few years and we'd stomp holes all over you. Deal with it.

You have to admit this year against Wigan we have been completley outplayed 2 out of the 3 games which is a serious worrying sign. Wigan are without doubt this year the team to beat. I do agree with you on your point that next year there will be a serious improvement on organisation under NB. We will come good on that I am convinced.

A much better, more balanced assessement. I have never rated Wilkin though and think that he is a very average player, not really big enough for the forwards and slow. I think he has stole a living for years playing in very good Saints teams but is being found out now when not surrounded by quality players.

Can't really argue with that, although IMO Richards is past his best now and I'd probably stick Makinson there instead.
Seems a shame to leave Lomax out completely but I can't really see where he'd fit in.

I'd pick Lomax over Leuluai.

Ask a Wigan fan for his top moment in Wigan colours and 90% (I'm giving some the benefit of the doubt here, of the ones I've actually asked it's 100%) of them will start talking about a tackle. I'd like my scrum half to be talked about for his attacking play, not his defence.

Actually for me it was his fantastic man of the match performance in the 2010 Grand Final when we beat St Helens. He was absolutely outstanding and a vital part of our win.

For all that your fans and the world and his wife have blathered on about Tomkins - to the point of nausea in the fans of all other teams during one season - I have always been of the view that Tommy L is your best player and he always, ALWAYS ups his game against us. He was murder for us long before Tomkins joined your ranks and, because he always behaves like a consumate professional (unlike Tomkins), I really do respect him. I would love to have had him in our team.

I'd rather have Tomkins myself.

Good for you.

Personally, I'd like to see what Tommy Mak could do in the fullback position before deciding on whether I'd have Tomkins in my team.

He's no Sean Long.

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