I think if we come out of the next 5 games with 8 points or more, then the moaning (including mine) will subside.

But KC needs to be careful. At the moment he has the smouldering embers of discontented fan base. Going public criticising fans is the equivalent of throwing petrol on that. He should choose his words carefully. He must also be aware that soundly beating Wakefield is not going to win many hearts and minds from a fanbase that considers anything else to be a dismal failure.

He should have saved those comments for after the Leeds game tomorrow. If we beat them convincingly, then he'd be on much steadier ground. As it is, he's missing the point a bit about what Saints fans want.

It's about a style of rugby. Even against a defence as terrible as Wakefield, nearly all our tries started with a PTB within 15 metres of their line. His tactics are the classic mid-noughties Bradfordian territorial grind, followed by a defence cracking in their own ten metres. It can be effective, but it's incredibly dull. Saints fans are conditioned from an early age to want much more adventure than that. We want fast wingers who can go the length, we want deep backs moves from within our own half, and we want that sense of butterflies and anticipation when those special players get the ball, because you just know that something extraordinary could happen.

What we have is the near-sure knowledge that nothing is going to happen at all, unless we manage to force them into a mistake within their own 10 metre line, so 90% of the game is essentially waiting to get there with 1 man-drives and kicks.

It might be effective, but God it's dull.

KC is correct we are winning and that's his job to get results but he can't hide the fact the fans are bored. You can see it in the crowd and the atmosphere is dead.

Would I rather you play this boring rubbish rugby and go on to win the grand final? Yes 100%.

Will I keep paying to watch every game like I do now? No I won't, if the brand of rugby doesn't Improve then I'll pick my games and I'll watch the sky games at home.

I've never been so bored in my life as I am sat at Langtree park this year.

Why is the format dull? If we beat Leeds today, do you think Leeds fans will th ink a top 4 play-off format is dull?

Under the old top 8 their start to the season would be irrelevant.

Perhaps not who knows in RL at present, but their attendances are dropping been around 14,500, be interesting to see what tonight's gate is, a lot of Super League attendances seem to be dropping.

TBH mate, I struggle to get interested in watching them on Sky at present, they are that dull.

Well people said throw it about

I think we mean In a proper manner. Both teams look poor. Can't knock effort but our execution is poor.

Well I enjoyed it. Would have enjoyed it more if Sky had not kept interrupting the game with tries from Warrington.

Yes but that was more like watching the little kids who play at half time.

Two poor teams who are really struggling to play with any structure for 80 mins.

We broke their line plenty of times.
Lots of opportunities to win, lots of running it rather than kicking it.

I'm not surprise people are hypocritical and drop the lets be entertaining and lose rather than safe and win.
But then that is why it's dubious to suggest that the chairman should take any notice of what we say when we chop and change quicker than the wind changes direction.

Seen the Warrington highlights on sky and they looked on fire. I'm going to tip them for Grand final win this year.

The is a big difference from throwing the ball around and to playing good rugby. Tonight wasn't good rugby, it was just poor as Wello, Wilkin, Brian mac and KC said. In a word it was "scappy".

Interesting that Wellens advocated a more sensible use of our possession, and neither he nor Cunningham seemed to know why we failed to complete in the way we have previously. Wilkin appeared very angry at our performance in his interview. So was that a little players' revolution against the more cautious, patient approach that we've shown under Cunningham?

Good Rugby though requires the arm wrestle it requires going through the grind and it requires boring rugby.
Yes you can start to throw it about if you take control of the game, or if the game is starting to run away from you.
The first few weeks we have been playing winter rugby, because it's been wet and windy conditions. Tonight we seemed to change tact completely going into throwing it about at all costs. I don't mind seeing a bit of grind and some of it tonight would have settled us nicely into the game.

For me Walsh is starting to look alot better.
The pack is making meters up the field,
Peyroux is a big unit and starting to make in roads.

Owens I'm unconvinced about, not sure why after weeks being out of the team he was kicking. But he managed to gift Leeds field position for their first 2 tries.

Dawson does ok and did very well to tackle Watkins.

I do wonder if the players read these forums and were feeling that they needed to show what we can do attacking wise.

Who knows but I think we will go well as the season goes on.