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| When you talk to people around town and in the ground there is definitely a general feeling of dissatisfaction in the way things are going with the team. Our exciting players are probably Swift, Percival, Fages, Roby and Walmsley................Percival and Swift are now injured, KC won't play Fages, Walmsley for some reason is a bit more conservative so far. So that just leaves Roby to create some spark as per usual.
We need Lomax back, I seem to remember KC saying he will miss 4 to 6 super league games, next week is our 6th game, so whats the latest update on him.
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| Quote: Sadfish "also with regards to the above, people often think Facebook is taking over, but it clearly isn't facebook Rugby groups are honestly some of the worst groups I have ever seen for chat, they are filled with vitriol, abuse, language and some of the worst spelling known to man.
That is why many people stick these forums, we are as popular as 5 years ago, and don't forget we are donating £1000s per year to Rugby League related good causes.'"
My intention was not to have a go at the forum, but more to explain why there tends to be more negativity on the boards. I do like forums and tend to stay off twitter and facebook in a personal capacity, but certainly there are more social media outlets than ever before and like minds do tend to attract.
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| Quote: Sadfish "also with regards to the above, people often think Facebook is taking over, but it clearly isn't facebook Rugby groups are honestly some of the worst groups I have ever seen for chat, they are filled with vitriol, abuse, language and some of the worst spelling known to man.
That is why many people stick these forums, we are as popular as 5 years ago, and don't forget we are donating £1000s per year to Rugby League related good causes.'"
Do you not think your going OTT on the advertisements?
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| The problem with this forum for me is some seem to revel in us losing games so they can come on with a nauseating 'I told you so' attitude.
Then a few others are cry @rseing about the style of play and being bored at the match. Well in my opinion we don't have the players anymore to play the style we've all seen in the past so we can only win games playing to the strengths of the players currently at our disposal, and we are winning right now. Style comes second to winning games for me anyway.
If you are so bored at the match go and take up gardening or something.
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| Quote: RuddyScoosers "The problem with this forum for me is some seem to revel in us losing games so they can come on with a nauseating 'I told you so' attitude.
Then a few others are cry @rseing about the style of play and being bored at the match. Well in my opinion we don't have the players anymore to play the style we've all seen in the past so we can only win games playing to the strengths of the players currently at our disposal, and we are winning right now. Style comes second to winning games for me anyway.
If you are so bored at the match go and take up gardening or something.'"
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| Quote: RuddyScoosers "The problem with this forum for me is some seem to revel in us losing games so they can come on with a nauseating 'I told you so' attitude.
Then a few others are cry @rseing about the style of play and being bored at the match. Well in my opinion we don't have the players anymore to play the style we've all seen in the past so we can only win games playing to the strengths of the players currently at our disposal, and we are winning right now. Style comes second to winning games for me anyway.
If you are so bored at the match go and take up gardening or something.'"
Widnes are hardly overflowing with world class players but manage to play open exciting and winning Rugby. We are just poorly coached.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Widnes are hardly overflowing with world class players but manage to play open exciting and winning Rugby. We are just poorly coached.'"
I'm not calling for KC to be sacked but the style of play is coming from the coach. Some players ain't happy playing this style either.
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| Quote: RuddyScoosers "Then a few others are cry @rseing about the style of play and being bored at the match. Well in my opinion we don't have the players anymore to play the style we've all seen in the past so we can only win games playing to the strengths of the players currently at our disposal, and we are winning right now. Style comes second to winning games for me anyway.'"
We don't have the players because we're signing bang average players which is the responsibility of KC, Rush and McManus.
There's no excuse for our brand of rugby, we're not well coached and we've signed badly for several years.
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| Quote: St pete "I'm not calling for KC to be sacked but the style of play is coming from the coach. Some players ain't happy playing this style either.'"
So what else is the answer if it's down to him?
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| Quote: Blobbynator "
There's no excuse for our brand of rugby, we're not well coached and we've signed badly for several years.'"
We can give KC some slack for last season but its obvious that he is blinkered into a safety first policy and winning his "middle", the offloads and spreading out wide for clean breaks is being de coached out of the team, I think we are the worse if not one of the worse teams for this type of open play.
Widnes, Warrington, Castleford and Salford are the opposite and play a more adventurous style, I think I would prefer an exciting on the edge of your seat loss than these dead boring soon forgotten wins.
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| Quote: Allez "So what else is the answer if it's down to him?'"
Change the way we play. Let the players have more of a input on how we play and stop this one up crap
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| Quote: St pete "Change the way we play. Let the players have more of a input on how we play and stop this one up crap'"
He's not gonna do that though is he? Any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't publicly have a go at the speccies the way he has done this week so the way with him seems to be 'I'm the boss - what I say goes'. I honestly don't think he has the intellectual wherewithal to understand how he needs to conduct himself.
All too cosy with Rush, McManus and him. Hail King KC the un-sackable.
In his head anyway.....it will happen if things don't improve. Nothing more certain.
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| Quote: Allez "He's not gonna do that though is he? Any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't publicly have a go at the speccies the way he has done this week so the way with him seems to be 'I'm the boss - what I say goes'. I honestly don't think he has the intellectual wherewithal to understand how he needs to conduct himself.
All too cosy with Rush, McManus and him. Hail King KC the un-sackable.
In his head anyway.....it will happen if things don't improve. Nothing more certain.'"
He's not media savvy and needs to think before he speaks otherwise he's going to shoot himself in the foot on everything he quotes, I'm surprised McManus hasn't had a quiet word as the image of the club is being effected. It's a long time since we've had a decent coach who can project the right image, its been mostly downhill since charismatic Mick Potter arrived on the scene.
Our style of play is so obviously inept to attract additional support, we have around 7200 season ticket holders this season, I can see this dropping to around the 6000 mark next year, will McManus wake up to the fact that to draw fans through the turnstiles he needs to get the mojo back to the "Saints Way" of entertaining rugby.
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| Quote: Judder Man "He's not media savvy and needs to think before he speaks otherwise he's going to shoot himself in the foot on everything he quotes, I'm surprised McManus hasn't had a quiet word as the image of the club is being effected. It's a long time since we've had a decent coach who can project the right image, its been mostly downhill since charismatic Mick Potter arrived on the scene.
Our style of play is so obviously inept to attract additional support, we have around 7200 season ticket holders this season, I can see this dropping to around the 6000 mark next year, will McManus wake up to the fact that to draw fans through the turnstiles he needs to get the mojo back to the "Saints Way" of entertaining rugby.'"
If crowds were to drop significantly, would that not have occurred this year.
Plenty were talking in the off season about it being the end of the 5 year deal and how many would not renew and how the crowds would be dropping this year.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "If crowds were to drop significantly, would that not have occurred this year.
Plenty were talking in the off season about it being the end of the 5 year deal and how many would not renew and how the crowds would be dropping this year.'"
Season ticket sales have dropped significantly over the years, I seem to remember we had about 9700 season ticket holders about 4 seasons back which is now down to 7200, so we have perhaps a more significant number on single match day tickets which is subject to the highs and lows. I reckon the majority of fans have given KC bit of slack prior to his disregard to fans expectations, we will just have to see were we are as discussed in the next 5 games.
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