Maybe I could cope with Wilkin and LMS facing the opposite way - [iif it weren't for the fact that an opposition player was running past them to score[/i.

Indeed, some might say the reason an opponent was running past them - to score - was primarily because [ithey had turned their backs.[/i

I mean, it's certainly a possibility.

No idea who it was making the initial tackle running back but they should have wrapped up the ball, they'd practically completed the tackle. If it was a tackle in a usual defensive line they should have finished it, I don't see why they didn't, that player (McMeeken I think?) should have been tackled and held down for as long as possible without giving away a penalty. LMS was within his right to think that tackle was completed and make that 10m as quick as he could to be ready for that next tackle. Whoever didn't complete that tackle was as much to blame as LMS IMO.

What, LMS can't get back the ten without turning his back? If so how come practically everyone else in the league CAN?

I reckon it was a bad decision by LMS, it was Burns who made the initial tackle but it needed 2 tacklers to hold up a big cas forward with momentum, we had Swift, Percival and Roby already tracking back. LMS didn,t check if the ball was wrapped up and ran off, Roby saw the situation and went back across to help out , but was too late as the pass went to Roberts.

AT the end of the day, he's not been pulling his weight, he's not looked intersted and Imo will be happy not to be playing.

We've carried him for far to long and enough is enough and unless we have a incredible injury crisis in the pack or rest players for the semis then I don't think we will see him again. He couidnt get in last week with Sav and Vea out so he's mow behind Amor, walmsley, sav, richards, Thompson and LMS and rightly so.

The way players are coached to get back in the defensive line now is to turn your back on play but keep your shoulders square to the play of the ball and look over the open side shoulder so you can run back faster but still watch the ball. To turn your back completely without a thought for the ball at this level is unforgivable.

As for the forwards, I would go:

Mose
Roby
Amor
LMS
Wilkin
Thompson

Greenwood
Walmsley
Savelio
Flash (Vea when fit)

I really don't see what Richards offers at the moment, in a few years maybe but he simply isn't good enough to warrant a spot in a strong 17 at the moment.

When is Vea back, btw?

He's a belting player but do you think he's always likely to get injuries? He certainly doesn't hold back in the collisions/tackling.

I treat injuries as completely random events unless there is some underlying reason such as an existing chronic condition. I haven't heard anything about Vea so I'm not concerned right now.

I mean, if it's a choice between Vea always playing at a hundred miles an hour or not it's the former every time. All we can hope is the dice fall in our favour I guess. There's certainly no point worrying about something which is outside our control.

He does indeed, I cant argue with any of that but in all fairness if I pulled a saints shirt on I would do all of the above; it doesn't mean I'm good enough. With the likes of Amor, Thompson, Wilkin, Greenwood and Roby you have more than enough graft in there, you can afford to have those X factor players.

Whilst Mose does not give consistant performances one thing he has proven is that time and again he steps up in the big games and can be unplayable. He is the rare type of player who can swing a game in your favour on his own.

A choice between that and someone who will make plenty carries at a 5m average gain, I know who I would rather have in the team personally. I think most if not all opposition would rather face up against Richards over Mose too.

Mose meter per carry is pretty shocking for 6ft 6in 23stone guy.

I,m almost sure stat wise he is the best prop in superleague for metres per carry. I,ll answer your next response in advanceBaloo would be an example he didn't do a lot of minutes at the bulls and used as a battering ram, Saints signed him and played him differently gave him more minutes and gave him quality ball resulting in loads of tackle busts.

some still making excuses for out and out bone idle laziness