All I'll say is he misses very few. For a guy who supposedly isn't interested.

If blame is to be attached to any forward I'd say Amor's name is a lot higher than Mose's. And given their ages and fitness compared with a Samoan blockbuster - I'd say neither Richards nor Thompson covered themselves with glory, either.

As for what Mose is or is not paid - neither you nor I have any idea. What I will say is that Mose's nature as an "impact forward" was determined long before he arrived at Saints. We knew what we were buying.

Mose has played long stretches in many games. Far longer than we had any right to expect. I'd prefer him playing 25-30 min stretches. Seems as though the coaching team does not.

He did just under 30 mins in his first spell Monday.

So that's amor, Richards, Thompson and mose that "didn't cover themselves in glory" but isn't this by far the best pack in the world ?

Facts tend to be readable first and comprehensible second. This is neither.



YOU are the guy running around with my name in your quote, telling the Pies to ban me from their board etc.

Sure sounds like obsessed stalker behaviour to me.

Nope, I'd say Mose did ok.

What's instructive is the fact that you immediately pointed toward Mose as the culprit when it is patently obvious there were many worse performers. That's called - prejudice.

And you can keep pretending I said this is the "best pack in the world" as long as you like. It still doesn't make it true.

Should I laugh or should I cry?

People are easily led. It only takes one person with a grudge to paint a target on some player's back and you can guarantee half of St. Helens will come running with spears and axes. And you are such a person.

I called you out last season for the same thing - despite the fact that Mose had effectively carried the heavy work in the pack for a third of the season (when he was gasping away dragging most of his weight and totally unfit).

Mercifully you were forced to shut up when Saints won the GF. But come the first sign of trouble and you are back to your old hobby horse with the tedious predictability of a Swiss clock.



And you are - wrong.

Not overly interested in a slanging match on here, but Mose is a joke. The usual 7-8 min spells for a full time professional are an embarrassment & often even these spells arent that effective. IMO he puts far too much pressure on the shoulders of Amor & AW. I commented myself at the Hull game he was stood in the centres during his very brief second spell which is why he carries the ball so infrequently. I wouldn't shed any tears if he was suitably replaced tomorrow - the fact is when were in an arm wrestle & it's back against the wall he goes missing more often than not, and despite being on his knees AW was brought back on after 7 mins yesterday when the game was in the balance - Speaks volumes that.
People talk about impact, 6-7 mins in 40 minutes a half with us having possibly 3-4 sets of six during that time, give me a break. I for one could live without those 4 carries a game for another solid tough front rower.

Fortunately there exists a healthy group of fans whose knees don't hyperextend at the slightltest kiss of a pollen grain.

I can't predict Mose's future - but I do know he isn't responsible for all but two forwards' uncharacteristically poor performance yesterday.

These lads are professionals, after all.

However, we should probably cut ALL OF THEM some slack after a hard Easter.

I,ve said many times last season and this season that this club does not know how to use Mose correctly.
He is an IMPACT prop and should be used as such, we seem to be giving him very poor quality ball with very little depth, we use him as a decoy runner, on many occasions we switch play away from him.
If you look at some of the old NRL and International footage he is used differently.

One of the biggest problems is the absence of all of our creative players this means all our set plays have dried up and we are struggling with second phase, this has negated any Mose effect on his short stints on the pitch. He,s too lazy to be a hard working prop, maybe KC has asked him to more hard yards.....I don,t know.

Also Amor is a worry at the moment, he is in very poor form, hard working yes but he is easily dominated and his offloads have suffered, he misses quite a lot tackles now, it makes you wonder if he is playing with an injury.

Sorry Mugwamp but I agree with St Pete on Mose. I think he's a potential game changer when he wants to be, but those moments are few and far between. Fact is, he's lazy and doesn't do enough for his team. I don't care about stats, I know what I can see most games...a player who stands in the background whilst others try and drive the ball up out of their twenty. A player who always seems to be 3rd in the tackle when the job is done.

My opinion has nothing to do with us being on a 3 match losing run. I know that run is down to injuries to key playmakers.

Richards had a howler against Wigan, but he's got heart and the crowd can see it. Thompson & Amor are others I also refuse to criticise because they've also clearly got heart. Mose's on holiday which is a shame because he's brilliant when he wants to be.