FORUMS > St. Helens > Wilkin Return |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 2928 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2018 | Dec 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I have no problem with Wilkin getting straight back in the team for his kicking game and defensive work. my concern is his discipline which regularly gives away penalties at iinnopportune moments. Last week in particular, we did really well by building pressure on Leeds. With Wilikn and LMS in the team, you are always likely to release the pressure with a daft penalty
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 25689 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| We've got a big squad and with a tough cup draw & easter coming up I imagine we'll see the squad used to it's fullest. LMS, Laffranchi and Wilkin could all come back in this week and there's a few who played yesterday that need game time to get back into the swing of things.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 240 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Apr 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Sia has to stay in and start, he has taken a step up in terms of leadership this season IMO and good for the team our best back rower and would be close to the best in league
Flash has been flash no more no less top top player in defence and average at best in attack
Manu been a lot better this year compared to last (I know not the only player who can say this) and his best game was away vs wakey which he failed to finish due to injury and kept him out vs Leeds. I don't think he 100% yesterday and looks like he took another knock, if fit he stays in he links well with Walsh
Greenwood hasn't let us down yet, solid in defence and a strong runner and runs some good lines, I feel can only improve with more minutes
Wello, did he play yesterday? Club legend and will be remembered as such and rightly so but is he earning that shirt every week based on recent games! other than Leeds, sickens me to agree with saddened but should only be used as cover or big games for that experance
Wilkin let the team down big time getting himself suspended and should not just walk back into the team. He didn't know we were getting Walsh back so soon as we did and because he was taken a little late he throws a shot that rightly got him a two week ban, that could have been the difference yesterday no Walsh, wilkin, wheeler and having to play lance and wello 6/7 unprofessional!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 807 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2014 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Walker isent good enough for St Helens. Walker and Greenwood out and LMS, Wilkin in. Easy decision and i cannot believe LMS and Laffranchi missed out vs Hudds for a challenge cup tie. It very much nearly back fired as apart from the first 20 mins the Hudds pack dominated us.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5214 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: LFC Saint "Walker isent good enough for St Helens. Walker and Greenwood out and LMS, Wilkin in. Easy decision and i cannot believe LMS and Laffranchi missed out vs Hudds for a challenge cup tie. It very much nearly back fired as apart from the first 20 mins the Hudds pack dominated us.'"
very strange comment to make. Walker at worst will go on and "become a clough" - but still has potential for much more. Whether he has as much potential as the next crop (Richards, Thompson, Savelio) is open to debate - but to write him off completely seems to be jumping the gun a little! That said, he did have a relatively poor game yesterday, so should drop down and have to rework himself back in the team.
Some interesting comments here. Especially about Flanaghan keeping his place owing to his defensive capabilities, even though certain people dont accept that Laffranchi and Jones deserve their place in the team for the exact same reason. :S
btw Wellens and Walmsley as a pair charged down every drop goal attempt I believe. Great effort from both of them.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 807 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2014 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Our best pack and subs are
Walmsley
Roby
Amor
Manu
Flanagan
Wilkin
LMS
Masoe
Laffranchi
Soliola
Now i dont mind chopping and changing to rotate the squad but for the big games you need your best team.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 240 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Apr 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "very strange comment to make. Walker at worst will go on and "become a clough" - but still has potential for much more. to write him off completely seems to be jumping the gun a little!
btw Wellens and Walmsley as a pair charged down every drop goal attempt I believe. Great effort from both of them.'"
Great effect especially walmsley for the big man to get up there so many times and nearly got the one that brough did get away all be it wide credit to them
Walker is a really good young player and ATM deserves his the chances he is getting yesterday IMO was his first poor game but would like to see him next week to see how he responds.
If he was late 20s then yeah could understand asking the question is he saints level? But he is still coming along and learning his trade and not really letting the team down, give the lad a chance lfcsaint
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16963 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "It simply comes down to I'd rather get Sia playing long minutes at the end of the season rather than the start! Keeping him as fresh as possible for as long as possible is a top priority.
I have question marks over manu this year - most players dip whilst contract negotiations go on (as I assume they are) - but maybe he just cant do the minutes he could last year ... no doubting his abilities ball in hand taking on the opposition though'"
Manu always starts the season slow. It was Easter last year before we seen the proper Manu. He's more suited to the dry ground.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 29214 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: St pete "Manu always starts the season slow. It was Easter last year before we seen the proper Manu. He's more suited to the dry ground.'"
I don't think we can question his effort though. He's always working hard, even if the more flamboyant stuff hasn't come through yet.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16963 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: LFC Saint "Walker isent good enough for St Helens. Walker and Greenwood out and LMS, Wilkin in. Easy decision and i cannot believe LMS and Laffranchi missed out vs Hudds for a challenge cup tie. It very much nearly back fired as apart from the first 20 mins the Hudds pack dominated us.'"
Walker has been very good for us since he broke into the team. He wasn't great on his return from injury last year as he was carrying a extra stone in weight but he's a very good young prop that will never let us down.
Greenwood IMO has enormous potential and I know Brown feels the same. He's worked hard on his strength in the off season and it's noticeable this year. The lad can break tackles and is quick.
How you can write two very young lads off so soon is laughable.
IMO greenwood and Saveilo are the pick of the bunch.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16963 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Saddened! "I don't think we can question his effort though. He's always working hard, even if the more flamboyant stuff hasn't come through yet.'"
If he he's good ball he will make breaks.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 6668 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2023 | Jun 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Manu is on the wrong side, he should be playing down the left.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 815 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2017 | Apr 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: St pete "Manu always starts the season slow. It was Easter last year before we seen the proper Manu. He's more suited to the dry ground.'"
sounds like he sould of been in the National lol
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 61 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Apr 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Saddened! "Seems old Wello is as untouchable as I said he would be. Even though he's completely untouchable and cannot be dropped, surely he should still be included in the natural rotation element? The last thing we want is our weakest forward player in both attack and defense having to cope with fatigue as well?'"
Here we go again ....
There is no issue with Wello being part of squad rotation with our squad it makes sense to keep everyone fresh however
Wello was on a par with the defensively excellent Flanagan on Sat ( see RL Express stats). 28 tackles in 50 mins compared to 29 for Flanno. Walker 16 tackles with 4 misses ???
If there is one thing that Wello doesn't have a problem with is backing up week in week out and producing a consistently high level of performance - he's done it over 500 times you know! I suspected that after last week the younger forwards may struggle to back up the week after and the stats prove it. The players who should be rotated are the young ones that's how you protect them . They played well last week but one good game doesn't turn Ant Walker in to Sam Burgess.
I appreciate you may have dangled the bait ... However I am more than happy to take it to counter your ill informed propaganda .
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 61 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Apr 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: St pete "Walker has been very good for us since he broke into the team. He wasn't great on his return from injury last year as he was carrying a extra stone in weight but he's a very good young prop that will never let us down.
Greenwood IMO has enormous potential and I know Brown feels the same. He's worked hard on his strength in the off season and it's noticeable this year. The lad can break tackles and is quick.
How you can write two very young lads off so soon is laughable.
IMO greenwood and Saveilo are the pick of the bunch.'"
You're very forgiving when it comes to your mate Ant... Like it is acceptable for a professional sportsman to return from injury a stone overweight. How does that happen. His performances were poor and no wonder if he's that much overweight. On Sat he struggled and showed that maybe he' s not ready for week in week out at SL level yet. We're in an ideal position to rotate the young lads so let's do it and accept that it's in their best interests. To leave out Lafranchi was an error of judgement in MHO.
|
|
|
|
|
|