Tbh, I don't think it matters if we have any players in or all 17. England have really good depth now, so it's not as if they aren't good enough. Some players just have to take their chance in the England team or get lucky with the coach.

Hardaker got a chance and he took it last year and again vs Samoa for the knights (obv may have blown it now...) Lomax could easily have had that chance, but he never. Walmsley could (maybe should) have got his chance over T Burgess but he's unfortunate not to have that surname.

We have some very good SL young players. That's good enough for me. If they push for international selection in the future, then that's great for them personally.

What is with the love for Turner? He can't defend for toffee, I'll never forget that Wakefield centre making him look like a ghost at home and his attack consists of jogging to near the line, stopping and doing that embarassing goose step thing and then collapsing under the tacklers. Turner has only impressed me once and that was a flick pass somewhere (Possibly Wigan?)

Towards the end of the season, he put makinson in for a couple of tries with some very good play in the opponents' 20. He'd run a line back towards the ball and hit a gap, which would persuade the winger to come in, before getting the pass to mak to score. In that situation, its very a hard pass to make without it going forward.

See!!!!! There you go again trying to explain rugby league to an idiot!

It doesn't make him Paul Newlove, but its something that so-called superstars like RYan Atkins would continually fail to do.

Its always hard to tell with the younger players coming through until they have performed consistently well for a few seasons and fully proven themselves. 2 years ago, I would have backed Foster to mount a challenge for an England wing shirt in the near future and now I wouldnt even rate him in the top 10 English wingers in SL. The likes of Swift, Percival, Jones, Walmsley etc all definitely have the potential but are nowhere near ready for the England squad just yet imo and would rather see them develop more before throwing them in.

I think (Roby aside), the other Saints players who could be ready would be Lomax (would rate him a far better prospect at 1 than Hardaker), Makinson (although dont think he is quite ready to dislodge Hall, Charnley or Briscoe just yet), Amor and LMS again (if he performs like he did back end of last year). Judging on the current plight of centres, I would also add Turner to that list as whilst he struggles defensively, he is no worse than Watkins is (who has been a big disappointment in the World Cup for me) and a lack of quality competition at centre could see him given chance if he has a good enough season (a la Cudjoe this year)

I was just checking some super league stats (I know they can be misleading) .
Percival in only 72 carries made 13 clean breaks - so nearly 1 in every 5 times he touched the ball , which looks totally off the scale . The next best I could see was Charnley with 35 from 383 or roughly 1 in 11.
If he can keep up that sort of attacking flair and strengthen up , surely he is nailed on for international honours - let's face it , he hasn't got much to beat at centre.

I'm still concerned about his size and it's fit in the centres. I can't imagine what Francis Meli and Junior Sa'u would do to him if he was defending in the centre. It'll be interesting to see if he's grown any by the start of next season. He could do with eating his tea at Sia's every night.

He kept Ablett quiet on his debut. I know he's not great or a natural centre but he's a hell of a lot bigger and better built.

As impressive as Percival has been I agree that he needs a fair bit more size before he becomes a regular. He doesn't need to be massive, similar to Goulding would be plenty big enough without taking away any of the pace he has. Really excited by his future.

Goulding is just a solid SL centre tho. Is it his size that holds him back internationally etc?

He most certainly did.

No, he's held back by a lack of ability

Exactly.

Goulding is a good wingers centre, but is not a "strike" centre.