His Saints career is already over, he's just lucky he's got another year of being paid before he joins the queue at the job centre.

Ah, you never disappoint Saddened.

Maybe it is/was just too soon for Charnock and Yates - Yates had an injury lets not forget.

It seems that Wigan did not think that Powell and the other HB were ready so brought in Green and Smith. Hopefully Yates and Charnock will be ready to provide proper cover in 2014.

I think O'Brien could be just what Wheeler needs to motivate him. The lad must know this is it for him?

Yeah, I agree with that. There isn't a great difference between 6 and 7 in the game at the minute anyway to be honest, but O'Brien and Walsh in the halves would certainly help bring the best out of Lomax. With those two pulling the strings in midfield, Robes at 9 and Lomax at 1, we have a spine there who are all capable of bringing the best out of each other. I think we will see a huge difference in our game in an attacking sense next season, and that's starting to become evident. If you have that, and you have those threats, the likes of Manu and Turner start to influence things that little bit more, and that's what's happened over the past couple of weeks.

He hasn't done anything to extravagant, but he provides an element of 'neatness' and structure to our play. That provides our strike players with opportunities, and we have shown both against Bradford and Salford that we are more than capable of creating opportunities, and threatening teams in an attacking sense.

I prefer having a ball playing halfback like Walsh to play with a ball running halfback. It can work having two out and out ball playing halves but IMO one should be a player that takes the line on. I don't think any of them take the line on.

Suppose that is Lomax's role since we split the HBs

You mean a team system that only has one taker on of the line?

Only a team with a very limited outlook to attack would do that; like........oh hang on, us.

Both lulu and Finch could take the line on when required. Walsh and O'Brian don't

You're on real.

Lulu and Finch are not ball runners, of course they can do it as can anybody with legs. However its not there natural game.

horrible performance from O'Brien last night. hopefully his last in a Saints jersey.

Just one of many horrible performances to be fair. He's performed like that before, which presumably is why he is down the pecking order at Warrington.

And to think, we let Gaskell go to Salford. What a boost it would have been to our game last night just to have his kicking ability available to us. Brown is dumb.

Yes what a boost Gaskell would have been avoiding tackling duties, " did you go to Salford" he is and never will be the answer it was a fair swap him for Howarth they are both second rate who will look good occasionally. Howarth stood out at Leeds. Gaskells kicking ability he is like Dusty Hare give him space and time and they come off, put someone in situ to charge at him especially at stand off and he spends so much energy looking out for the challenge he loses all concentration. Lets move on from this guy he is going to Leeds or Wigan if you listen to his people its just how much he is holding out for. Good luck to him with that one.