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| Just got back from the match, not read what everyone else has posted but here is my 2p worth.
First 20 - 30 minutes we where woeful. Dropped balls and penalties from Makinson, Manu etc just killed us.
I'd really consider not starting with Manu, he has great skills, but is far too eager to push the ball early. On a number of occasions he put us under pressure. I did not think Ashe contributed a lot, I've not seen him in recent weeks, but tonight he was pretty anonymous.
Did Perry come back on at all???
After what was a woeful start, there was a real manning up from the Saints lads, I could not pick a MOM as it was a contribution from all. We also got of help from Leeds who made some terrible errors. But we helped them earlier on so it's a fair trade.
Wellens was very good, ran through everyone, Walmsley is the future at prop and LMS as far as I could see, kept his penalty making to a minimum. Howarth is awfully slow at hooker, but he did have a hand in two of our tries so you have to give him credit for sucking in the defenders, but there were times where Leeds had 3 markers and just a dart from dummy half would have resulted in a penalty to Saints.
The 'high' shots on Bailey and Burrows where a joke, over the shoulder, but then we got one later on, on Walmsley.
A great result for us, but totally ruined my predictions for this week.
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| Thought St.Helens showed a lot of spirit tonight, I thought they were gone after the opening twenty minutes and some of the goal kicking didn't give me much hope but the young players stuck at it despite some heavy hits in defence from the Leeds forwards.
One thing is for sure though, Leeds are a much better team with Brett Delaney on the field.
Paul Wellens was immense.
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| Game completely changed when Puletua (who was great) and Walmsley came on.
Wellens was fantastic, my MoM by a distance. Howarth also played well.
Wilkin was annoying with his penalties and his kicking game wasn't great, but he was kicking off slow PTBs so if was understandable. We looked better organised with him at #7.
Perry can go now, what's the point at all? Only doing one spell again? I'd rather have Clough in over him.
Nathan Ashe? Ffs, he touched the ball at most 3 times.
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| Quote: Albion "Perry can go now, what's the point at all? Only doing one spell again? I'd rather have Clough in over him.'"
That was a woeful contribution from Perry. If he's picked ahead of Clough next week I'll be fuming.
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| Not going to get carried away as I thought leeds were appallingly bad, but fair play to the lads for showing loads of heart. Just hope brown shows some rocks and leaves perry and lance behind for the rest of the year.
All those who have been disrespectful to wello should give him credit tonight, he may not have been in good form but he runs through brick walls for saints. Good on you wello
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| first 25mins we were same old what weve seen last 5 games. second half i thought we were a pretty good solid outfit just a few idiotic penaltys. love him or hate him i thought wellens was brilliant tonight his bravery in certain situations is unquestionable if leeds has wellens at fb tonight instead of hardaker we wouldnt have won imo.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "All those who have been disrespectful to wello should give him credit tonight, he may not have been in good form but he runs through brick walls for saints. Good on you wello'"
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| Percival struggled a bit defensively, but was well protected by Wilkin. Offensively he was very good. Makes breaks every time he plays. If he carries on at this rate he will be an absolute world beater in a couple of years.
Turner very good all round, tackled everything and strong taking the ball forward. Nearly burst out of a few tackles. Looked like St Pete had had a word in his ear about putting in that little bit extra effort .
Walmsley and Puletua. Devastating going forward.
Wello. Captains knock. Leeds still exposed him for lack of pace with deft kicks, but otherwise he threw everything into that performance
Manu showed a couple of times that if we have him running wide, he could give Percival and Makinson a try feast
Negatives
Perry played the first 15 minutes but isnt remotely match fit.
The opening 20 minutes of the match. Shocking composure and soft defence.
Kicking game weak, both field kicking and goal kicking.
Soliola brain fart that will see him cop a ban.
Ashe, anonymous throughout and struggled defensively.
Wello will probably play the rest of the season at fullback now, denying Lomax the opportunity to dazzle us.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "All those who have been disrespectful to wello should give him credit'"
To be fair, if he had played like that for the past 4 years no one would have been criticising him in the first place.
Games like that suit him still, but if we are ever in a game where we're competitive in the pack, his lack of contribution to the attack will tell.
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| Forgetting the first 20 minutes i thought the character and spirit shown was stunning.Great effort to even get the game back level but to go on and win in the manner you did against top quality opponents was great viewing.Given all the injuries and disruption you guys need to just appreciate what your younger players are actually doing.All good experience for them and when the injury crisis starts to ease up you will be in a fantastic position for the rest of the season.
Walmersley was outstanding and if he isnt the best young forward out there this season i would be amazed.Wellens turned back the clock and put in a real show of skill and leadership and as a Salford fan i was really pleased for Stu Howarth.
So congrats on a great win and just look forward to what i am sure will be a real good second half of the season for you guys.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "it was a tough gutsy display after the first 20 mins of shambolic bumbling . Wellens and Will in both stood up and as you say led by example.
on the other end of the scale though Perry was again pretty much turd and Ashe is never superleague class in a million years.
for the older posters here. does anyone else get reminded of George Mann when they see Willie Manu run?'"
As an old fart, he looks like Goerge Mann but Mann was more dependable but less creative.
As has been said on here Ashe and Perry were dreadful and was Ade (but first game back and all that).
Our kicking was awful, but the forwards eventually got their act together and Walmsley was immense; it seemed to spur on LMS & TP and then the whole team (minus Ashe) got in the Leeds faces and they just couldn't cope.
Been to every home game this year and can't remember (even against dire away) us putting the opposition under so much pressure. It lifted everyone, but Walmsley with a bit of help from Wello and Wilkin got the revival going.
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| Having had time to let it all sink in, do you know what I take from that game.
We had it about us to kill off the game. There have been some games were we just have not been minded to see off the game. But tonight we did. We could have cracked under the pressure when with 20 to go Leeds upped a gear and threw everything at us that they had.
But we held on, defended the line and did not panic when they got one back.
I think that's the best thing from tonight.
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| Quote: Dux "Why no Clough?'"
He played for Whitehaven yesterday didn't he?
Echoing all those praising Paul Wellens, thought he was very good for you guys tonight - I know he's copped a lot of flak of recent times, but he seems to really enjoy playing at Headingley. Can't remember him having many bad games against us when we've been at home over the years...
Well done on the win tonight!
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| Quote: Albion "Game completely changed when Puletua (who was great) and Walmsley came on.
Wellens was fantastic, my MoM by a distance. Howarth also played well.
Wilkin was annoying with his penalties and his kicking game wasn't great, but he was kicking off slow PTBs so if was understandable. We looked better organised with him at #7.
Perry can go now, what's the point at all? Only doing one spell again? I'd rather have Clough in over him.
Nathan Ashe? Ffs, he touched the ball at most 3 times.'"
The game changed when we started to get penalties. We had no go forward and couldn't get out our 20 until we got a few pens. This gave us some field position and our confidence grew.
A win is a win and it was a very good win but we can't hide from the fact that we was very very poor in the early stages. The defense was shocking at times and we couldn't make 20m per set.
Good win tho and hope its the platform we need.
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| Wello had his first good game in months, lets not get excited.
The best part is the team actually played some decent rugby and defended well for about 60 mins, next week should be interesting
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