I was trying my best to pay him to give us loads but I just couldn't catch his eye.

Didn't notice the ref, to be honest, but that is probably because Saints were so outstandingly gutless.

Whos to blame ? easy, Huddersfield.

outfought and thought from the get go.

The pack have to take the blame for what happened last night, destroyed from the first minute until the last. The line speed and aggression was non existent, and look feared to death of confrontation. Laffranchi is a second rower being asked to play prop, Puletua is work shy and lethargic unless we are 20 points up, and Josh Perry retired before he had put his head inside a Saints shirt. If the lads give 100%, and put in everything they've got for 80 minutes I have no problem, but to lie down and die in the manner they did last night is quite simply unacceptable, and I for one will not accept that sort of performance. Last night was an embarrement to the club, and they deserve all the stick that's coming to them.

Take nothing away from Huddersfield, their forwards ran in hard with so much more aggression than we did, and when they got into dangerous positions, they used an offloading game that we quite simply couldn't handle. Brough and Robinson were kicking and playing on the front foot all the time, and the pressure Wellens, Makinson and Meli were under was ridiculous. We had no field position whatsoever, and Lomax and Gaskell had no platform to create anything.

The fact that certain individuals couldn't even face us lot in the West says it all, a couple came close to the 20m line, but not one of them looked us in the eye after that performance. I expect to arrive at the Stobart next week to see a Saints team biting at the bit to get out there and prove a point - and that's exactly what they have to do.

Has he played Prop before or is that a NB decision because that is what killed us last season. We played Gilmour at prop so much so they he considered retiring and said he had stopped enjoying playing RL until he went to Cas.

We then played Dale Ferguson ( 2nd row ) and Faiumu (hooker / LF at prop.)

You can tell how bad it was that Baloo signed 4 props in the off season. Mullaly, Fielden, Kopczak and Ta ai.

and i expect Widnes to really up their game for us, the Wigan B team will want nothing less to pile the hurt on!

for the huddersfeild game:

the forward pack got well and truely battered
the halfs looked like they had no clue about anything when it came to a 5th play option, kicking game was average
outside backs slow, no communcation with each other

line speed to slow, slideing defence didnt slide or tackle, 1st & 2nd markers cant remember the last time i saw them as lazy the yards being made around the ruck were soft and a mick take, every time we worked ourselfs into a good postion lazy work around the ruck cost us.

im not really worried about the season, just wish we didnt like this. if anyone ever hears me boo my team off the pitch punch me.....disgreaceful

Every player from 1 to 17 are to blame and also the coaching staff.

The players are to blame. Even if the tactics were wrong etc etc there is never an excuse for a lack of effort. Poor show

Noticed a lot of people blaming the forwards but you defend as a team and our edge defence at times was appalling , Brett Ferres especially just tormented us, the line as a whole was like a dogs back leg the line speed was basically national league level as was some of the tackling technique on show.

Far too many average players in the squad these days. The halcyon days of 2006 are dim and distant memories.

Average players but on "halcyon days" salaries.

Brown, was he the best thing since sliced bread? Give him a chance! That’s unless he says he wants to go home again. I remember a time (not so long ago) when a lot of wire was saying Smith out! but now look which part of his body is emanating the sun.

Who’s to blame? Mr Optimism, much better to stick with Mr Pessimism I do, he rarely lets you down.

Brett Ferres is a good player. We should have gone for him when he was available instead of giving wilkin a 5 year deal.

He played at prop all last season too. He was playing there before he left Australia but had only recently converted from the second row. He's wasted at prop. He would be great at second row.

The players are to blame. I don't think Brown can be blamed for one hiding, if it becomes a weekly thing, then Brown comes into question. Not one of our players ran like they wanted to break the Huddersfield line. Their forwards were up for it and their wingers brought the ball back strongly from kicks, the complete opposite to us. Flanagan's try was the only time during the game when one of our players ran with some aggression and hit a good line, they did for 80 minutes.

I'm surprised Cas let him go