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| Quote: Saddened! "Makinson is crying out to be playing fullback. Brilliant under the bomb tonight, defensively fantastic, dangerous with the ball.'"
He's been suspect under the high ball this year. I'm not sure he's ready yet to play there full time, I think lance is the better option but he's also suspect on high kicks.
Do you think makinson is that good with ball in hand? He runs like he might make a break but it's very rare he will beat a man.
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| Quote: Ninja saint "He's been suspect under the high ball this year. I'm not sure he's ready yet to play there full time, I think lance is the better option but he's also suspect on high kicks.
Do you think makinson is that good with ball in hand? He runs like he might make a break but it's very rare he will beat a man.'"
It's hard to do that on the wing though as you are constantly in danger of being tackled into touch. I'd love to see how he'd go at fullback, the one glimpse we've had of it was a very accomplished performance in the GF last year.
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| Quote: Ninja saint "He's been suspect under the high ball this year. '"
I disagree. I think he has had one or two matches in which he has missed a ball. That's it though. But maybe the dullness of our rugby has erased my memory!
Quote: Ninja saint "Do you think makinson is that good with ball in hand? He runs like he might make a break but it's very rare he will beat a man.'"
What do you mean by 'beat a man' exactly? Do you mean on his kick returns? Because if you do although he doesn't have that strength yet (he's only just turned 20 and clearly is of a lean frame) he got his head through in the tackle on every return tonight. Not only that but I remember in the playoffs last year against Wigan how he turned Sam Tomkins inside out so he's capable of sidestepping his opposition.
He needs more chances. I think he has abilities that are being neglected as the ball hardly ever goes his way. Tonight it did and look, he scored a brace.
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| Quote: Saddened! "It's hard to do that on the wing though as you are constantly in danger of being tackled into touch. I'd love to see how he'd go at fullback, the one glimpse we've had of it was a very accomplished performance in the GF last year.'"
On Good Friday he played there and had a stinker.
Quote: Saddened! "I disagree. I think he has had one or two matches in which he has missed a ball. That's it though. But maybe the dullness of our rugby has erased my memory!'"
He didn't deal with any kick that Warrington kicked at him in the game the other week at Langtree. Luckily for him, Warrington seemed content to attack Meli's wing tonight.
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| Quote: Saddened! "It's hard to do that on the wing though as you are constantly in danger of being tackled into touch. I'd love to see how he'd go at fullback, the one glimpse we've had of it was a very accomplished performance in the GF last year.'"
Don't get me wrong, I think makinson is very good player and has potential to be good player but I don't think he's ready for fullback.
I question if he's got the postional play to be in the postions wello does in attack and I'm don't think he offers much more with the ball at this moment.
Makinson isn't beating men on kick returns (something foster was crucified for) but this might come as he's a young lad still.
Another year on the wing won't do makinson any harm at all.
Lance hohaia has all the experince in the world at fullback, he's fast and I'm sure he'd clear his line better than wello and makinson.
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| It's always the way. But what can we do, play him all year and then drop him for knock out rugby???
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I disagree. I think he has had one or two matches in which he has missed a ball. That's it though. But maybe the dullness of our rugby has erased my memory!
What do you mean by 'beat a man' exactly? Do you mean on his kick returns? Because if you do although he doesn't have that strength yet (he's only just turned 20 and clearly is of a lean frame) he got his head through in the tackle on every return tonight. Not only that but I remember in the playoffs last year against Wigan how he turned Sam Tomkins inside out so he's capable of sidestepping his opposition.
He needs more chances. I think he has abilities that are being neglected as the ball hardly ever goes his way. Tonight it did and look, he scored a brace.'"
Yes I'm on about his kick returns. I know he's only just turned 20 but I've seen the likes of charnley, tomkins, Briscoe, hall etc all beat men at that age.
Only time will tell of he will make a fullback but IMO hohaia should be #1 next year.
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| Makinson still looks like a rabbit in headlights nearly every time he has the ball and just doesn't seem to know what to do with it half the time - he has the physical attributes to be a top player at #1 or #2/#5 but just not the instincts (at least not yet). For me he'll end up a centre when he's bulked up a bit.
And Meli is one of the top 5 wingers in SL and our best outside back by a country mile and has been for a good few years now. As always the kneejerkers sit coiled waiting for him to have an off game (ignoring all the good games he's had in the meantime) so they can launch into action and justify their little one-eyed pre-formed opinions with only the slightest evidence to be able to support it.
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| *double post* Grrrrrr
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Makinson still looks like a rabbit in headlights nearly every time he has the ball and just doesn't seem to know what to do with it half the time - he has the physical attributes to be a top player at #1 or #2/#5 but just not the instincts (at least not yet). For me he'll end up a centre when he's bulked up a bit.
And Meli is one of the top 5 wingers in SL and our best outside back by a country mile and has been for a good few years now. As always the kneejerkers sit coiled waiting for him to have an off game (ignoring all the good games he's had in the meantime) so they can launch into action and justify their little one-eyed pre-formed opinions with only the slightest evidence to be able to support it.'"
I think one more year on the wing won't do tommy any harm.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Makinson still looks like a rabbit in headlights nearly every time he has the ball and just doesn't seem to know what to do with it half the time - he has the physical attributes to be a top player at #1 or #2/#5 but just not the instincts (at least not yet). For me he'll end up a centre when he's bulked up a bit.
And Meli is one of the top 5 wingers in SL and our best outside back by a country mile and has been for a good few years now. As always the kneejerkers sit coiled waiting for him to have an off game (ignoring all the good games he's had in the meantime) so they can launch into action and justify their little one-eyed pre-formed opinions with only the slightest evidence to be able to support it.'"
You talk utter drivel.
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| Quote: Ninja saint "Yes I'm on about his kick returns. I know he's only just turned 20 but I've seen the likes of charnley, tomkins, Briscoe, hall etc all beat men at that age.'"
How often do you see Meli beat a man? How often do you see Gardner beat a man? Not often, on either count. Saints appear to use wingers as battering rams rather than evasive options.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "How often do you see Meli beat a man? How often do you see Gardner beat a man? Not often, on either count. Saints appear to use wingers as battering rams rather than evasive options.'"
Makinson isn't the same style of winger as Meli or Gardner and they are getting on now, makinson is young, suppose to be fast but I just don't see how he can beat a man.
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| Quote: Ninja saint "Makinson isn't the same style of winger as Meli or Gardner and they are getting on now, makinson is young, suppose to be fast but I just don't see how he can beat a man.'"
Right, so you happily excuse two decidedly average wingers because they aren't the 'same style' (what style are they anyway?) and because they are old, but you'll criticise a guy who has yet to play a full season, is playing in a position he didn't play until first team, and who always, always plays his best games in crunch matches. And all over one move in a match.
Well done you.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Right, so you happily excuse two decidedly average wingers because they aren't the 'same style' (what style are they anyway?) and because they are old, but you'll criticise a guy who has yet to play a full season, is playing in a position he didn't play until first team, and who always, always plays his best games in crunch matches. And all because he doesn't hop and skip around opposition players or plough them into the ground or something.
Well done you.'"
You've taken my post totally the wrong way, I'll leave it there, I'm not going to be one of your many enemies on here.
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