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| Quote: southmanc saint "my wish would by for brown to bring danny brough with him, a proper scrum half.'"
Maybe. But he tends to go missing in pressure matches.
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| What is it with people and their gross underestimation of Gaskell's potential? I'm telling you, when this kid adds a stone and half a yard he'll be carving his way through defences.
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| Quote: Mugwump "What is it with people and their gross underestimation of Gaskell's potential? I'm telling you, when this kid adds a stone and half a yard he'll be carving his way through defences.'"
I think it's just fickleness. Gaskell is out of everyone's sightline now, having been dropped (undeservedly IMO). So people just go with whatever option is spouted at any one time.
Gaskell could have been building on his experience of last season and I think it is sad that he has been denied that opportunity.
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| Quote: Mugwump "What is it with people and their gross underestimation of Gaskell's potential? I'm telling you, when this kid adds a stone and half a yard he'll be carving his way through defences.'"
He might add weight, but he won't add pace, he's as fast now as he ever will be. Not that that is a bad thing, when he is in space he is fast.
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| Quote: southmanc saint "my wish would by for brown to bring danny brough with him, a proper scrum half.'"
Danny Brough epitomises the word Journeyman halfback
He is so good that he consistently fails to deliver the goods when playing against decent opposition, and has been passed around from club to club throughout his career after a succession of coaches have given up on him.
You hear fans talk about his superb kicking game and great pace, but the reality is that he rarely uses these skills.
When he does, he can look good, but the overall package is very average. Its why the key creative players at Huddersfield are Kevin Brown, Scott Grix and Luke Robinson.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "He might add weight, but he won't add pace, he's as fast now as he ever will be. Not that that is a bad thing, when he is in space he is fast.'"
He should be able to add a yard of pace, otherwise olympic sprint champions would all be teenage lads.
The reality is that they are usually in their mid to late twentys when they start bringing home the gold gongs.
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| They are sprinters. Ergo, thats what they train, sprint technique and target the muscles required for explosive speed. Gaskell is a rugby player. 2 different things.
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| Quote: Saint77777 "They are sprinters. Ergo, thats what they train, sprint technique and target the muscles required for explosive speed. Gaskell is a rugby player. 2 different things.'"
Saints used to do sprint training on a regular basis. I don't know whether they still do it.
Rugby players can be pushed on in their pace too, you know, and some will be natural sprinters.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "Probably confirms that finch is on his way out. You'd have to say that Gaskell and smith aren't exactly inspiring signings, added to tge likes of gelling and the trogs and Wigan do seem to be going for mediocrity. Ok while the team is dull of confidence, but when the bubble bursts they will be found out.'"
Could be they have SC / image rights payments problems?
After all they maxed out with Sam and had to turn to sky for assistance to boost his salary.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "He might add weight, but he won't add pace, he's as fast now as he ever will be. Not that that is a bad thing, when he is in space he is fast.'"
How can he be at his fastest when he hasn't even developed fully? It'll be somewhere around 22/23 when his speed hits its peak (provided he doesn't add weight or pick up some injury).
As for the idea that sprint coaches cannot improve a player's basic speed - utter rubbish. Ask Doug Laughton how much speed Andy Currier gained after three months of sprint training. That bloke went from a reasonably quick centre/winger to someone who could go the entire length of the field without anyone gaining so much as a yard on him.
Graeme West once gave an interview in which he talked about the benefits of bringing in that 400m runner from Wigan whose name escapes me. IIRC, his entire back line clocked significantly faster times after one pre-season.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Danny Brough epitomises the word Journeyman halfback
You hear fans talk about his superb kicking game and great pace, but the reality is that he rarely uses these skills.
.'" You are joking.
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| Sorry if this as been said.If we are after Smith? Is it to play S/H or S/O? If it's S/H? Where will Lomax play.
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| I'd be surprised if we let Gaskell go, for me when he bulks up he'd be an old school ball playing 13
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| Smith is a major step down from Finch for Wigan. Though the option is now there for them to move Tomkins back to Stand off playing next to him
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| I'd personally move Lomax to fullback for next season. I love Wellens, I really do but the role of a fullback as changed through the years. Lomax could do the kind of damage that Tomkins does at Wigan.
I'd use Hohaia as a hooker to give Roby a rest. We've had a lot of success at interchanging hookers in the past but we expect Roby to do the full stint now.
I really like Wheeler. If he could just stay fit I'd play him at 6. I'd like to keep Gaskell too.
We just need a clever scrum half. An organiser. He doesn't need to be lightning fast with an eye for running through a gap. He'll have players that can do that around him. Goulding was amazing at that. Not sure Matty Smith is the long term solution though but I'd have him at Saints tomorrow.
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