He may be a top class super league boss but plays a style of rugby that's almost identical to that of Maguire's first year. Slow down the play the ball, three in the tackle and the like, given the complains from Saint's fans about the style of rugby Wigan played. What are your thoughts on picking up that style next year?

And I'm certain IF we do start with wrestling tactics there'll be a change of heart from Goon fans too ....

I for one have always thought McGuire was a very very good coach and Wigan still seeing the benefits of his time as Wigan coach now.

Both MM and Brown are smart coaches that are willing to do what it takes to win. I'm not a big fan of the holding down as it makes for a worse game of rugby league but I blame the ref for not blowing up.

If a team can get away with it, then good luck to them.

Don't like it but it's in the rules and all the other successful teams do it so why not. Let's be clear, nobody wants to see slow, lazy wrestling techniques around the ruck being rewarded. We all want to see a quick, exciting game, or at least I'd hope we do. But the current rules allow, encourage and reward laziness around the ruck so we're only cutting our nose off to spite our face by not following suit.

Our stubborn refusal to play that way - or at least our inconsistent execution of it - is one of the major reasons why teams get such a ridiculous roll on over us like Catalans at LP and Widnes tonight.

Bring on the defensive drudgery. As long as its partnered with offensive flair, of course!

Like I've just said, I'm not a big fan for spoiling the game with consistent holding down at the play the ball but it's the refs I blame not the team.

Ive always been a fan of mm in the way his team are organised and well drilled.

That's the bit I'm not looking forward to.

Oh, and the bit about bottling it in the playoffs (we at least get to bottle it in the Grand Final) and the bit about going back to Australia at some point every season.

You keep trying to compare browns record with that of saints which is impossible. Hudds and saints are totally different teams, different players, different strengths, different styles etc

He's done a terrific job at the giants and I've yet to hear a giants player or fan have a bad word about him.

My only concern is the whole saga of is he going or is he staying every year. Let's hope McManus has told him its just not happening.

If all teams were defensively sound around the ruck we'd see the ball spread much more IMO. The fact that against most teams the likes of Roby jumping out of dummyhalf is enough to break them down, doesn't exactly encourage Saints to spread it. However were Roby too find it unfruitful running from dummyhalf Saints would have to change tack and for the better IMO.

He's got a team that was constantly below the middle of the table to a genuine top 4 team. Imagine what he can do with a team that constantly gets into GF and a strong cup run? With the resources availiable at Saints for him we could return to the top again

Forget what has gone before. In the seasons we got to the Grand Finals we had players like James Graham, Leon Pryce, Keiron Cunningham, Sean Long, Jamie Lyon etc. We don't have those anymore. We are not in a false position in the league.

we only had one of them last year

Indeed. So it is difficult to judge accurately whether he will be any good at Saints. But the fact that they get all the way to a semi in the playoffs but bottle it, or capitulate completely like they did last season (going backwards in fact), concerns me.

But man what a difference his presence made.

indeed, but still just one man

Correct, we can only judge him on what he's done at the giants. He's took a team that was finishing in the bottom four to a team that is a top four team, Ade a Wembley final and are genuine title contenders.

He will do for me