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Quote: St pete "Strange, you've be calling for makinson to replace wello at fullback so your contradicting yourself.'"

Eh? I didn't call for Makinson to replace Wello, at least not in the post you replied to. I want Makinson in the first team on a weekly basis, yes, because he is a very, very good young player who was doing nothing wrong. We all wanted Makinson to replace Wello, you included. And I do want Makinson to replace Wello. But just now I'd be more than happy for him to replace Meli, who should not have been put back on the wing in the first place, and most definitely not at the expense of Makinson.

Quote: St pete "What a terrible and shocking idea of resting backs. Makinson, wheeler and foster was constantly rested, they are young lads! WTF!!!'"

Now you are just being an a r s e. You've changed your mind completely about Foster, for instance.

Quote: St pete "You look very stupid over the last few weeks with your backing of Royce Simmons and having arguments every day because you won't just admit he was total gash, the worst coach we've had, totally clueless, boring idiot!'"

I looked stupid when I said that Lance Hohaia will make a good halfback. People took the p i s s and you especially did, saying he was no halfback, etc, etc. Hey. I was right. He looks good at halfback. I looked stupid when I said some of our senior players needed a kick up the backside as they weren't bending their backs. People took the p i s s then too, probably including you. Hey. I was right. They are now bending their backs.

People taking the p i s s out of me is par for the course. However, quite often I turn out to be right. I expect those same people to then experience selective anmesia, which they do. As you are doing now. That and you are your usual drunk self of course.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Eh? I didn't call for Makinson to replace Wello, at least not in the post you replied to. I want Makinson in the first team on a weekly basis, yes, because he is a very, very good young player who was doing nothing wrong. We all wanted Makinson to replace Wello, you included. And I do want Makinson to replace Wello. But just now I'd be more than happy for him to replace Meli, who should not have been put back on the wing in the first place, and most definitely not at the expense of Makinson.

Now you are just being an a r s e. You've changed your mind completely about Foster, for instance.

I looked stupid when I said that Lance Hohaia will make a good halfback. People took the p i s s and you especially did, saying he was no halfback, etc, etc. Hey. I was right. He looks good at halfback. I looked stupid when I said some of our senior players needed a kick up the backside as they weren't bending their backs. People took the p i s s then too, probably including you. Hey. I was right. They are now bending their backs.

People taking the p i s s out of me is par for the course. However, quite often I turn out to be right. I expect those same people to then experience selective anmesia, which they do. As you are doing now. That and you are your usual drunk self of course.'"


How have I changed my mind on Jamie?

Im still not convinced that lance is a halfback but I held held my hand up after the Leeds game and said maybe I was wrong but one game don't make a player. The following week lance was averse, his kicking was totally shocking! I'm willing to give him a chance to prove himself at halfback.

The difference between me and , I'm willing to accept if I'm wrong and won't stay bitter. Your that bitter I get the feeling your just waiting for a defeat so you can bag rush and KC and tell us all how good Royce was.

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Quote: theres only one stan wall "Saintsfan you blind faith for the last pillock that coached us is laughable. We were f@@@ing boring, constantly repeated the same mistakes, discipline was woeful & selections frankly mind boggling. '"

Which season are you talking about here?

Are you saying that, for example, our discipline was woeful against the Catalans Dragons? Against Salford? Against London? Did we make loads of mistakes in those games? What was wrong with the selections in those games? I'm sure you won't answer and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't.

Personally, I'm more concerned with what is going to happen once the big games are over with, the ones that require a proper coaching team in place, the ones when maybe our senior players don't feel quite up to doing the work, when talk of pride in the shirt and all that bollox has worn off. There will be plenty of those occasions. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground in anticipation of them.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Eh? I didn't call for Makinson to replace Wello, at least not in the post you replied to. I want Makinson in the first team on a weekly basis, yes, because he is a very, very good young player who was doing nothing wrong. We all wanted Makinson to replace Wello, you included. And I do want Makinson to replace Wello. But just now I'd be more than happy for him to replace Meli, who should not have been put back on the wing in the first place, and most definitely not at the expense of Makinson.

Now you are just being an a r s e. You've changed your mind completely about Foster, for instance.

I looked stupid when I said that Lance Hohaia will make a good halfback. People took the p i s s and you especially did, saying he was no halfback, etc, etc. Hey. I was right. He looks good at halfback. I looked stupid when I said some of our senior players needed a kick up the backside as they weren't bending their backs. People took the p i s s then too, probably including you. Hey. I was right. They are now bending their backs.

People taking the p i s s out of me is par for the course. However, quite often I turn out to be right. I expect those same people to then experience selective anmesia, which they do. As you are doing now. That and you are your usual drunk self of course.'"



If Royce was such a good coach why couldn't he give the senior players a kick up the backside?

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Quote: St pete "The difference between me and , I'm willing to accept if I'm wrong and won't stay bitter. Your that bitter I get the feeling your just waiting for a defeat so you can bag rush and KC and tell us all how good Royce was.'"

icon_lol.gif Jeez, Pete, you can be so ridiculously childish sometimes!

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Quote: SaintsFan "Which season are you talking about here?

Are you saying that, for example, our discipline was woeful against the Catalans Dragons? Against Salford? Against London? Did we make loads of mistakes in those games? What was wrong with the selections in those games? I'm sure you won't answer and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't.

Personally, I'm more concerned with what is going to happen once the big games are over with, the ones that require a proper coaching team in place, the ones when maybe our senior players don't feel quite up to doing the work, when talk of pride in the shirt and all that bollox has worn off. There will be plenty of those occasions. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground in anticipation of them.'"



It makes a change from being concerned if we will a game at all, no matter who we are playing!

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Quote: SaintsFan "

I honestly think that.

What have a I changed my mind over with Jamie?

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Quote: St pete "If Royce was such a good coach why couldn't he give the senior players a kick up the backside?'"

As Tim Sheens said, he speaks the language of the players, which is why he is well respected at Wests Tigers and why they want him back. That would have also made him sympathetic towards the players which is probably what led to his downfall.

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Quote: St pete "I honestly think that.
What have a I changed my mind over with Jamie?'"

You thought he should be dropped, just as we all did (some for his own good, some because they thought he was rubbish). You now slate Royce for dropping him for one game. So you have changed your mind about Foster.

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Quote: SaintsFan "As Tim Sheens said, he speaks the language of the players, which is why he is well respected at Wests Tigers and why they want him back. That would have also made him sympathetic towards the players which is probably what led to his downfall.'"


Royce - " we didn't know what we was doing out there and I didn't know what we was doing and I'm the coach"

If that's the players language then I'm glad he's gone.

West tigers fans had a party when he left, read their forum comments on him.

Changed my mind on Jamie?

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Quote: SaintsFan "As Tim Sheens said, he speaks the language of the players, which is why he is well respected at Wests Tigers and why they want him back. That would have also made him sympathetic towards the players which is probably what led to his downfall.'"


Which makes him perfect assistant, rather than head, coach material. Alas he wasn't our assistant coach.

Let's see if Wests give him the head coaching job seeing as they are so desperate to have him back...

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Quote: St pete "Royce - " we didn't know what we was doing out there and I didn't know what we was doing and I'm the coach"'"

TranslationChanged my mind on Jamie?'"

I've replied to you on that already.

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Quote: SaintsFan "You thought he should be dropped, just as we all did (some for his own good, some because they thought he was rubbish). You now slate Royce for dropping him for one game. So you have changed your mind about Foster.'"


I posted on here before anyone else that IMO Jamie needed taking out the first team (not dropped) to build his confidence and maybe bring him down a peg or two as I got the feeling he thought he was better than he was.

I've never ever said rest backs, resting wingers and centres week in and week out like Royce knocked any sort of partnership you firm as a centre/winger partnership.

I think Jamie will come back better than he's ever been. I know for a fact he's chomping at the bit and when he gets back in, he intends to stay in because KC will not drop him if he's playing well unlike the idiot.

Just swallow your pride and admit Simmons was gash. We was boring, unorganised, clueless and lacked heart under him. The fact he was in charge for our worst ever run says it all.

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Quote: Billinge_Lump "Which makes him perfect assistant, rather than head, coach material. Alas he wasn't our assistant coach.'"

That's fine. I have no problem with that. I hope he goes back there and continues the good work he was doing there.

He still got us to the Grand Final last season and he gave debuts to some very promising young players AND he did it all through a very turbulant time. So he was a decent head coach as well.

But lest I forget, he sinned against the Mighty Saints for we played BORING RUGBY!!! (We didn't, actually, at least not all the time, but hey, some fans think Daniel Anderson made us play boring rugby)

Worse than that ... WE LOST FOUR MATCHES and they were ON THE BOUNCE! Hellfire and damnation. Sacrilege. The unforgivable sin.

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Quote: St pete "I posted on here before anyone else that IMO Jamie needed taking out the first team (not dropped) to build his confidence and maybe bring him down a peg or two as I got the feeling he thought he was better than he was. '"

There you go. And now you slate Royce for doing the same thing.

The rest of what you said was your usual blather and I'm not interested in responding to it anymore.

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