Yes, since Smith is Warrington's coach.

I'm sorry but we do not have the players to replicate Warrington's style of rugby, regardless of who is coaching.

I disagree, our defence is poor, it's been poor all year. Fair enough we've tightened it up in last two weeks but we are still missing tackles, we can't defend our line when under pressure and we've looked all at sea.

Yeah, sure, that's why we conceded 30 plus points against Hull and Bradford.

I agree really. Our goalline defence this season has been pretty poor. Everytime a team gets within 20m of our tryline the nerves set in.

Our defence has been crap!

Even the bulls cut us up at times and they had 10 players out injured and their main attacking player sammut out suspended.

I'd we defend like we did last week or they way we did against hull then I predict Wigan and Warrington would put 40+ on us.

The defence is all at sea, massive overlaps and our goal line defence has been as bad as I've seen since I started watching saints.

Whenever I hear the name "Alex Murphy" I never think of the player widely regarded as the greatest of all time in either code who spearheaded the rise of my club from utter mediocrity to becoming the greatest club in the game. I instead can only ever think of the beleaguered failure sitting on the sidelines shouting ineffectually at his team as they were overwhelmed and babbling semi-coherently in post-match interviews about it all. Please let this not ever happen to KC too...

Did you watch Saints under Millward? Presumably not!

Clearly you didn't watch the Hull and Bradford games either. Our defence was much improved.

Bradford's missing players are worse than the ones they had on the pitch against us (bar Sammut). They could do with their missing players remaining absent for the rest of the season. They may get somewhere then.

As for Wigan and Warrington (and Leeds) they are simply better teams than we are. Well, Warrington and Leeds are anyway. It wouldn't matter how good our defence was, they have the players and the experience to undermine it. Particularly if Meli is on the wing on Sunday. Christmas again for Sinfield!

Exactly. I do hope McManus realises just what pressure he has heaped upon his home boys and what failure might do to at least one of them.

Do you think Mr. Teflon will accept any responsibility?

So then you should know the difference between the crap defence you claim we had and good defence. However, you appear not to and so you cannot have watched us under Millward.


It didn't look a total mess. It looked a lot more organised than in the two games when we conceded big points. And even in those games it was solely our goal line defence that let us down. But then we have two very eager defenders missing from our team this year and so the others couldn't hide anymore.


The coach said 16 per game to give a good chance of winning the GF, and he was right. And of course our average was highAny team that moves the ball wide causes is trouble big time.'"

Nope.

St Pete.Is there anything you see as a positive with our team at the moment.I have lived through a few of these times.We are a fantastic club and have been all of my life and I am 60.I expect us to be the same for the rest of my life.We will come through this period,we have some fabulous young kids that are now playing in SL.I like some of the things you put on this board but you are so negative at the moment.I gather you did not like Simons.I also think he was part of the problem.He is not with us now,I know you are happy about that.I will put my trust in the people that are running the club at the moment.Belive me we have had some real prats running Saints at times and we have survived them.We are at the begining of a new era at the club and probably the most exciting of my time watching Saints.You carry on having your say and do it with the passion I see you have for the club.

Thanks.

Yes I do see positives still at the club like the young lads we have in Gaskell, lomax, foster, wheeler, makinson etc but young lads of this age don't have the confidence to go out and express themselves and that's when a a good structure is needed and organisation and it's clear Royce had no structure or organistsion.

I'm not saying we will be back to playing proper rugby league straight away now Royce has gone but from knowing some of the saints lads I think they agree that McManus was correct in sacking Royce because we couldn't go the way we was.

That's not clear at all. What IS clear is that there was no on field leader.


Whereas Wello seemed to more than suggest that the young guys were upset at the loss of Royce. After all, Royce showed faith in them and gave them their opportunities in the first team on a consistent basis.

Everyone seems to have forgotten all of a sudden that we had already lost Jammer and Robes was out injured for three weeks. That leaves nobody organising up front.