It was mentioned above bit the run of fixtures we have coming up we could well end up in a real mess. We're not good enough at the moment to win away from LP against anything bar the weakest teams and it doesn't look likely that we'll beat any of the big sides at the moment. The board could end up in a position where removing Royce is the only option in a month or two.

And we can't be 2 points behind either. We must be at least 5 behind Warrington by now. Haven't they only dropped one point so far?

Wire have only dropped one point, so we must be at least 5 behind We've only dropped 5 points in total, how can we be at least 5 behind anyone?

We're 4 off Wire and 3 off Wigan/Hudds/Leeds/Catalans (assuming Leeds/Catalans win their games in hand).

Not panic stations (especially since we're only a penalty goal in three separate games away from being top of the league) but we certainly need to start finding some form.

It's funny that all the usual knee jerking suspects who had us down for a 40 point shoeing at Hudds are still knee jerking just as hard (if not harder) after another very narrow defeat.

So we lose by 1 point to Huddersfield and that equals????????

Take a look at last years result.

Jes Lemming central on here today.

Depends how you look at it. We were terrible against Salford as well. We've got Hull next week then something like Wire, Leeds and Wigan in a row haven't we? It could look very bad quite quickly if there isn't a significant improvement.

We're just mighty lucky we've not played Warrington or Wigan in this form or they would have put a big score on us. All this talk of keeping calm and it all coming good again is flawed as we're not as good as we were last season. We could easily settle in the position we are this season, it's not like we can argue with being behind the teams we are behind at the moment, apart from possibly Salford.

Hull, Bradford (a), Leeds, Wolves (a), Wigan

We need to win our next two games and build up some confidence.

I think we can realistically go into the Wire game with three wins under our belt, which would make the world of difference. It won't be easy, but it's certainly possible.

i think you should stop worrying , didnt you start last season in simular fashion and still end up in the gf , think soon as the pitches dry out the real saints will raise there heads again

Nope - we were far, [ifar[/i worse at this same point last season, believe me...

Saddened on the whole you make me laugh. But really, not as good as last season? This time last season we were dire with a capital DIRE. Our ineptitude at all levels was incredible. We are so, so much better at this point in the 2012 season than we were at the same point in the season 2011 as to be two totally different teams.

We have things to fix and a big Jammer shaped hole for our lazy forwards to fill. But we are nowhere near as bad as we were this time last season.

I don't mean how we were at the start of the season I mean post Kyle episode. Losing Jammer is a gigantic problem not only in terms of his quality and workload that will not be replaced but most importantly his presence on the pitch. When things get tough this season don't expect a response from Saints.

We began to pick up our season - somewhat hesitantly but the change was there nontheless - after Leeds away. Jammer's loss is massive yes but that can be mitigated to some degree if all the forwards pick up their efforts. Whether they will or not is another matter. Jammer was a one off but that doesn't mean we will be useless. Nobody else had Jammer playing for them but they weren't useless. When a one off leaves the whole team has to work to fill the gap. Hopefully we will adjust to his loss and our performances will reflect that.

Exactly - Harlequins at home.