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| Quote: cjhatesunion "The RFL have to do something though before the unionites come knocking on the door,I don't want or need another Eastmond saga like we had last season.
What do the RFL fo when the cash put is no longer brimming over, when we still have no sponsor named yet for Super League in 2012? We can't even ensure that home developed youngsters get at least a fee and or not able to just walk for no transfer fee these days.
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| First consider the source.
Next this player drain has resulted in erm two players going to union.
If we can withstand the loss of two players to union over the course of a season then we are not a sport worth talking about.
I'll comment when I see more than an alleged conversation with a ref who as far as I know would not be involved in players contract negotiations at any level. And certainly should not be so close to a player to allow for speculation over vested interests when refing a match.
In other words not much to see here. lol
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| Quote: jaybs "What do the RFL fo when the cash put is no longer brimming over, when we still have no sponsor named yet for Super League in 2012? We can't even ensure that home developed youngsters get at least a fee and or not able to just walk for no transfer fee these days.'"
Were you p1ssed when your wrote this?
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Quote: jaybs "What do the RFL fo when the cash put is no longer brimming over, when we still have no sponsor named yet for Super League in 2012? We can't even ensure that home developed youngsters get at least a fee and or not able to just walk for no transfer fee these days.'"
Why cant we have any fees for youngsters. Surely if they are under contract to play it does not matter what sport they are moving to a fee still has to be paid. Its a contract of employment after all.
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1649_1338292262.jpg I have followed the LONDON CLUB since I was in my teensl even though born in St Helens and still live nearby and went to the first game at Fulham, also Big West Ham Supporter:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1649.jpg |
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Why cant we have any fees for youngsters. Surely if they are under contract to play it does not matter what sport they are moving to a fee still has to be paid. Its a contract of employment after all.'"
The lack of big money in our game these days means clubs in my opinion and that is what it is! who develop young players should get some compensation, otherwise as money gets tighter any young player who wants to move on (or who is told a large club is interested in him) just does not sign a new contract so he goes for free? and saves that club money, well we may as well not have contracts. In fact more and more contracts are not worth the money they are printed on.
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Quote: jaybs "The lack of big money in our game these days means clubs in my opinion and that is what it is! who develop young players should get some compensation, otherwise as money gets tighter any young player who wants to move on (or who is told a large club is interested in him) just does not sign a new contract so he goes for free? and saves that club money, well we may as well not have contracts. In fact more and more contracts are not worth the money they are printed on.'"
What you propose there is a version of slavery. How much did you pay your first employer for developing you?
Contracts should be honoured and maybe written a little better. But there is a huge difference between a contract which is a voluntary agreement for the supply of goods and services and a fee once that contract has expired.
What if like most players they dont make it to SL standard the club can just drop them with no such fee once the contract is over.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "What you propose there is a version of slavery. How much did you pay your first employer for developing you?
Contracts should be honoured and maybe written a little better.'"
Slavery for a fee to be paid for a young player that has been developed, perhaps keep it to players under 23 and only from other super league clubs, the current system which you support if fine for the rich clubs so they get richer!
I know it would never get through as the leading clubs control Super League and only see the rest of the teams as make up of a league!
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| Quote: jaybs "Slavery for a fee to be paid for a young player that has been developed, perhaps keep it to players under 23 and only from other super league clubs, the current system which you support if fine for the rich clubs so they get richer!
I know it would never get through as the leading clubs control Super League and only see the rest of the teams as make up of a league!'"
There is already a system in place which dictates that if a player under the age of 23 is offered a contract by his club that is as good as or better than their expiring deal then a transfer fee has to be paid. That was certainly the case three or four years ago, anyway.
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| Quote: Dux "There is already a system in place which dictates that if a player under the age of 23 is offered a contract by his club that is as good as or better than their expiring deal then a transfer fee has to be paid. That was certainly the case three or four years ago, anyway.'"
You are quite correct, but the simple truth is some clubs ride shod over that and get away with it!
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| Quote: Dux "There is already a system in place which dictates that if a player under the age of 23 is offered a contract by his club that is as good as or better than their expiring deal then a transfer fee has to be paid. That was certainly the case three or four years ago, anyway.'"
Under that rule wouldn't we get a fee for Kyle?
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| Quote: jaybs "Slavery for a fee to be paid for a young player that has been developed, perhaps keep it to players under 23 and only from other super league clubs, the current system which you support if fine for the rich clubs so they get richer!
I know it would never get through as the leading clubs control Super League and only see the rest of the teams as make up of a league!'"
It wouldn't happen because its against the law. no contract therefore no fee.
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| Quote: St pete "Under that rule wouldn't we get a fee for Kyle?'"
Good point. It struck me when I first heard about that rule that it might be tricky to maintain legally. Surely a 22 year old has as much right to free access to the labour market as a 24 year old. Perhaps it has gone by the wayside. Or perhaps it only applies to transfers within the game.
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| Quote: Passionate Saint "Apparantly been offers big money by a premiership team. Dreadful news if true.
Source - Steve Ganson'"
You've got this the wrong way round. Lomax told me that the RFU had made Ganson a big money offer. He's to be the new Jonny Wilkinson apparently.
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