Look at Wigan, we have Joel playing at centre, granted we had Gleeson beforehand. But that's another point, look at the ages of Carmont and Gleeson, two of the best centres knocking about in SL.

Leeds last night had Ablet a backrower playing at centre. Bradford have struggled all year for centre's, so have Catalan's, as have the majority of the lower clubs in SL.

The only two that haven't struggled for centre's have been Wire and Huddersfield. Everyone else is have to make do, and compromise. And no doubt will have have to do the same again next year.

We're not short of pace, we're short of a bit of quality in certain areas particularly in the halves and at full back - although I think Makinson is a brilliant prospect for that position. Gaskell looks a good prospect and I think he'll develop quite nicely in the next two years. Lomax I'm still unsure of his position, I'm not convinced on him as a half back but he's too good a player not to feature in the 13. If we had a half back who could challenge the line and organise the side, I think we'd find points alot easier to come by. Hohaia is a good player and we'll see if he has what it takes, but I reckon he might be more suited to full back or at hooker judging on where he's played alot of his best NRL footy.

Pace is not just speed but more importantly a combination of speed threat and evasion.

Being quick enough to contribute once Saints have bashed down the middle for three tackles until
roby get a quick ptb is one thing.

A player with real menace from your own 20 is another.

Saints stopped being Saints years ago. No offload game , no back play of note. Everything down channel one
for Roby nothing else. It has become boring.

Saints are Bradford of old and that's why Saints lose finals to teams who play like Saints used to and have the flair players
to match.

Keep resigning seasoned runners up who fit this pattern of play such Gardner Flannery and Meli is a statement of intent.
Monotonous also rans is what is the club is content with.

At least in the bridesmaid days of the eighties and early nineties Saints could play football.
These days Saints bore as well as disappoint.

I came away saying to my mate that I thought Saints had played well. I'd love to see their completion rate, it must have been very, very high. However, a lot of this was down to a very conservative gameplan with a lot of forward carries, some kicks early in the count and very few offloads which just isn't the Saints I'm used to playing. I can only assume they were playing to instructions as there are obviously players in that side who can offload.

I still think that it was a good Saints performance given the injury situation poth before and during the match, and the number of young players who were out there. Next time. I'd hope for the same commitment and defence, but a bit more adventure from them.

I don't think a conservative game plan was such a bad idea. Given the number of inexperienced kids out there it made sense not to push the envelope. In a high-pressure atmosphere it would be very easy for a youngster to be overwhelmed so keeping things simple was a logical - if not adventurous - decision.

You mean Wheeler?