I'm going to agree with you. Roby is a superb athlete, but doesn't have the skillset of Buderus or Monaghan.

As you know on here it's something I've been moaning about for years. We are obsessed with quick play the balls and dummy half scoots. We then don't develop players at 6, 7 and 9 who can unlock good tight defenses. I have feeling you may see Hoihia at 9 and Roby at 13 in quite a few games for Saints next year.

Wouldnt be a bad thing for me , Roby is a great runner and tackler plus it allows Lomaskell to stay at 6 & 7

That's got to be the thing to look at.

If those guys keep improving and performing, it's a bloody good set of halfbacks for you for what could be a good few years.

Really? I've only played stand off since the age of 8 and didn't know that halfbacks play better on the back of a dominant pack.

You should apply for a rugby club to be a manager.

Whodo you play for?

Not for me, robes would lose his dummy half running which is a high point of his game.

I'm also not sure on hohaia at 9, he's lookers very average playing there in the nrl.

Don't make dumb statements then.

What's dumb about posting that lomax can't to life in the 2nd half and made a few half breaks?

A dominant pack don't mean the halves will also play well, look at the semi against Wigan, our pack was on top but the halves did nothing.

Good grief. Saints lose a game and dummy spit SaintsFan returns in place of smug SaintsFan.

'Twas ever thus.

these two are amongst the most over hyped players to have played for Saints

Am sure someone more cutting than myself would Pass a witty comment here

Very original.

The turning point for me was losing Wello and Shenton in the short period. It doesn't take a genius to then see which side Leeds exploited for the remainder. If they hadn't succumbed to injuries, I think we'd be celebrating right now.

Especially the injury to shenton who was a rock on that side before hecwent off.