Based on what we've seen this season it isn't much of a loss for us. He's been a complete write off this year and him being ruled out could be a blessing as he will recover around the end of the season and he can have an off season to get himself fit and ready for next season.

Clough, Shenton and LMS returning leaves us with just 4 players missing - two who won't return and two who have barely featured this year anyway.

Wellens, Makinson, Shenton, Meli, Foster, Gaskell, Lomax, Graham, Roby, Puletua, Wilkin, Soliola, Flannery. SUBS: LMS, Moore, Clough and Eastmond.

That's about as good as our team will be all year.

De-ja-vu......... same with Sia last year

You could say the same for Flannery in his 2nd season.

exactly, best not write off the big man yet

Did he rupture two weeks ago, or did he partially tear it and completely tear it in the Hull game?

Unless it is a complete coincidence and it wasn't the same injury (which, of course, could be the case) serious questions need to be asked as to why the medical staff allowed him to take the field, especially considering that the same thing happened to Pryce with his injury.

Interesting this has only come out now, because the blokes sat next to me in the stand, were told by text during the first half of the match that he was out for the season.

It's only come out now because Tuesday is the press day. All the injuries come out on press day. Thankfully these days they seem to come in dribs and drabs, albeit a fairly big drib on this occasion.

As I said in another thread. Given that SL clubs are now unable to compete for top tier Australian talent they must either buy lower quality players or take a risk on those approaching 30. Most of the top clubs will choose the latter - but this leaves them entirely hostage to fortune with respect to injuries.

Over the next few years many of the top five/six will see one or more of their high-investment players wiped out by injury. Think of the way Sculthorpe disintegrated rapidly as he got older and then think of what mayhem might be caused by a SL club unwittingly investing a small fortune in an Australian Sculthorpe for [ithree years[/i.

It will cause all manner of strife as one of the reasons these guys will have been brought in is for their experience and if they aren't on the field it's worthless. This will cost Grand Finals and make chairmen think very seriously about investing large chunks of their salary cap space in veterans.

I know some dont rate him but Gareth Frodsham has got 3 weeks left in under 20's and then should be fit enough for first team

The same Gareth frodsham who couldn't even get in widnes' team?

We may as well have a last roll of the dice with him. Royce left Ashurst on the bench until 60 mins last week - how badly could Frods do in 20 mins at the end of the game vs a lower SL club?

oh, you did have to ask!
Its a shame because he was much vaunted a couple of years ago

Its a shame about perry, i was looking forward to him playing in England, and he just hasn't got going. Tbh Saints have done brilliantly so far, considering the amount of setbacks and injuries, and the move to widnes. Whether thats due to your quality youngsters or the lack of quality super league clubs, im not too sure but Simmons has done a good job, which i didnt expect!

Don't listen to the knockers, when he did get a run of games together, he was a very good prop for us.