That is assuming our injuries don't undermine our season to the degree that we don't make the playoffs. That could happen.

It could happen and anything is possible but I think we will defo make the top 8.

MUGWUMP....... you cant blame Shenton or Lomax for trying something different in a game that was tighter than a ducks @rse. Lomax is genuine class and ok it went to Sam T but had it have gone the otherside it would have been a game breaker,sometimes they come off,sometimes they dont but dont coach natural ability out of a young un.

The kick from lomax did not let Tomkins run 40 - 50 meters, that was the lack of tackling.


If we are going to apportion blame, lets trace it all the way back to some idiot picking up a rugby ball 150 years ago.

We can all pick moments in time to say if and but, but in the end what happened happened. Long could have done something equally as stupid, lomax may choose differently next time.

Unless they get the experience and the chance to make those choices then they never become the finished article.

The big loss for me was Gaskell, he has been our main positional kicker and without him, alot of our kicks where ineffective.

I totally agree. He was growing in confidence too.

So, basically, everything that doesn't go Saints way in a game doesn't count?! Errors, mistakes and wrong decisions are all part of the game, as are poor refereeing decisions. We scored off one, you scored of one. Get some class mate. It was a great game, played by two commited teams with little to choose between them. I've said it over on our board and I'll repeat it here; you could do worse than take a leaf out of Foster's book. Very gracious in defeat. Pure class, that lad (not to mention great player and prospect).

Hope you all enjoyed your day, if not the result, and I'm sure we'll meet again!

I'm not sure when the penny will drop. Maybe today. Maybe never. But you cannot equate a try-scoring forward pass (which gives the defending team no chance) to a knock on that leads to six defensive tackles. Besides, it was a knock on. And if it wasn't Wigan would have been penalised (in front of the sticks) for Tomkins taking the ball in an off-side position.

Basic kicking rule #3If we are going to apportion blame, lets trace it all the way back to some idiot picking up a rugby ball 150 years ago.'"

As a kid never forget Alex Murphy scoring in the score board corner in extra time a very debatable try and someone shouted out that was never a dry ref to Eric Clay, only for Murphy to reply read the score in the paper in the morning!

Great game, both sides some weak defence at times, all teams go through times of injury and it is often the inexperienced who rise to the occasion! Monday will be a hard hill to climb, but not impossible.

I think you need to try that one again St Pete .With the young lads Saints have got , try the top 1 - 3

I think we will make the top 4 even with injuries and capable of finishing top if we get players back.

I was passing comment on someone who said we might not make the top 8 with all the injuries.

I am extremeley proud of all 17 players who took the field yesterday it was a truly monsterous effort. Considering the injuries weve got Wellens, Pryce, Eastmond, Perry, Flannery, Clough, Wheeler (just off the top of my head) totals 7 players who where ruled out before the game or where injured during yesterdays match. I am not convinced a number of other players were totally 100% fit yesterday eithier ie Graham. So how on earth anybody on this board can criticise our players after the performance is downright disgraceful. The town of St Helens should be right proud of there players and we can all hold our heads high.